NI Guitar Rig and M-Audio Audiophile 2496 recording problem

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Member Since: Sep 04, 2004

First of all thanks in advance for any help you can give me here. I'll try to explain the situation as best I can.

I just recently bought a new PC for recording audio, using an Audiophile 24/96 soundcard. I used to use a Behringer V-Amp with my old PC to record my guitar, but I've now got the Native Instruments Guitar Rig software instead. Now here's the problem: When I try to multitrack record, using Adobe Audition, I can't get it to record the output from the guitar rig program by itself, it records everything getting played.

I have it set up so that my guitar is plugged into the analog in, and my headphones into the analog out. I've tried every combination of playback and recording device (WaveMapper, Mon.Mixer etc.) in the device set up of the recording program but I can't seperate the guitar rig output from the audio I'm playing along with in the multitrack. Is there any way to do this?

The only solution I've thought of is to record on the digital S/PDIF channel. I've managed to get the guitar rig to output to the digital S/PDIF out but have no way of recording it, it'll only record the digital in. I tried just connecting the digital out to the digital in using a standard phono cable but it didn't work. Is there any way to connect the digital out to the digital in easily?

I hope that all makes sense! Any help would be very much apprectiated!!

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Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


Sep 04, 2004 02:42 pm

First, welcome to HRC, glad to have ya.

Second, make sure all the inputs on your previously recorded tracks are all turned to have NO input after you are do recording them. Since you appear to have no mixer or anything like that in the signal chain I am sort of lost as to where the bleeding may be happening. However, it's a good habit to get in to, after recording a track, disable it's input.

Third...what do you think of the guitar rig so far? It sounds awesome from the specs.

Member
Since: Sep 04, 2004


Sep 04, 2004 07:53 pm

Thanks for the reply!

The bleeding is happening because the only way to get the program to record the output from the guitar rig is to use the M-Audio mixer software as the recording device. However it doesn't have seperate playback and recording options, so whatever is getting played is also getting recorded. I think I could install a second Delta series soundcard and use one to monitor and one to record, but I don't want to have to fork out another 100 for one (I've already used up my student loan on the upgrades!).

What would be the easiest to connect the digital S/PDIF out to the digital S/PDIF in? If I could do that I think the problem would be solved.

As for the guitar rig, it's the best sounding thing I've heard by far! I spent about 3 hours tweaking and managed to get an overdrive tone that leaves my much loved Marshall stack in the dust. Plus it's a lot easier than trying to mic up an amp and get a decent sound!!

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


Sep 04, 2004 07:56 pm

No, Iused the audiophile for a long time myself and achieved successful separation. Make sure the input is set to HW1/2 so it is only recording what is coming in the input jacks. That should isolate the signal.

Member
Since: Sep 04, 2004


Sep 05, 2004 05:55 am

Yeah, that's what I did when I used the Behringer V-Amp and it worked fine. But because the Guitar Rig is software and not an external thing, the signal I want to record is not the one coming in on the input jacks. The input sound is purely my clean guitar sound. I need to seperate the output of the guitar rig from the output of the multitrack recorder.

Hello!
Member
Since: Jan 12, 2004


Sep 05, 2004 06:03 am

Does the guitar rig not function as a VST plug as well??? I had thought it did - I had considered buying i.e. I thought is was the same type of set up as Amlitube - can be used as a VST insert effect.

If its purely a stand alone app and cant be used within a multitracker like Cubase, then its not what I thought it was!!

How do you find the sound comparable to the VAMP?

Coco.


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Member
Since: Jan 12, 2004


Sep 05, 2004 06:08 am

Ignore last post - it is VST as well.

Can you not use your multi tracker, set up GRig as an insert effect and route the HW1 (I have the delta 44 and each in appears as a seperate in within Cubase.

Can you note set up a track, route it to hw1 (or whatever its called) then apply the grig as an effect ??

Coco.

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Since: Sep 04, 2004


Sep 06, 2004 02:12 pm

I'm just using the guitar rig as a stand alone app cause I have very little experience with using VSTs and Cubase. But surely if I did use it as an effect then I'd have the same problem cause it'd still be recording everything and not just the one channel? I can't seem to seperate the monitoring playback from the output I want to record.

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


Sep 06, 2004 03:34 pm

You sefinately need to route the G rig internally in the recording app itself. coco has it spot on when he is telling you to insert it as an effect in the track you want it to record on. That is truly the best way to do it. Bery simple and less fuss when you get right down to it.

Hello!
Member
Since: Jan 12, 2004


Sep 06, 2004 05:51 pm

I thinks as Noize has said tae - thats the way to go bud.

You wanna set yourself up a track in your sequencer (Cubase or whatever).

Then, choose the input to this channel as the channel your guitar is plugged into. After that, just apply the affect to this channel as the insert and you can mess with the guitar tone, independant of the rest of the track.

Doing it this way, all it will record is whatever is routed to that input on your soundcard i.e. your guitar.

Good luck

Coco.

Member
Since: Sep 04, 2004


Sep 08, 2004 07:46 am

Ok, thanks for the help! I'll go and experiment with the way you suggested. The problem must've been that I was using it as a stand alone app.

Thanks again!

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


Sep 08, 2004 08:46 pm

Let us know how it turn out.

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


Sep 11, 2004 04:39 pm

wow. those sounds...sound...great, on the guitar rig. this sounds better than POD

i am gonna need to get this for christmas or something.

but

has anyone ever had a prob with insert effects sounding less, quality-wise, than what you get by playing straight through the app in realtime? i've tried VST's as inserts before and i am having small latency problems, but also the sound seems extrmely reduced in quality. basically i dont want to use anything as an insert unless i can figure out this problem.

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


Sep 11, 2004 05:58 pm

this is...gah! no way to use it, apparently, as an offline process! insert, standalone, or nothing. this means i can never use this wonderful product. i've never heard of a VST that can't be used for offline processing.


Member
Since: Sep 22, 2004


Sep 22, 2004 10:52 am

I have a similar issue. See, in theory it'd be simple enough to add GR into Audition via VST plug-in, yet for some reason the two aren't compatible at all.

GR simply doesnt plug into Adobe Audition well. You don't see the normal GR GUI that you'd get when you plug it into Cubase or another recording utility.

I was hoping that there was a patch of sorts that rectified this issue, but it doesn't seem like that's the case.

I really don't want to have to spend alot of time acquainting myself with Cubase simply to use GR to process my guitar tracks. I'd really like to use GR ina familiar environment (Cool Edit/Audition) because those host applications serve all my needs aptly.

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


Sep 22, 2004 11:11 am

I would suggest you take the issue up with Native Instrument and/or Adobe.

Member
Since: Sep 22, 2004


Sep 23, 2004 04:22 am

I might well do that. Native Instruments are flooded with complaints right now though, so it will probably be quite a while before the issue is even taken into account, much less rectified by them. Could try Adobe.

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