Jun 29, 2004 08:23 pm Ooops sorry i forgot, also im not using any midi so if cake walk only does midi than i need somthing else thanks again
Adobe Audition Vs Protools Vs Cake Walk
Posted on Jun 29, 2004 08:21 pm
MaX RaY
Member Since: Jun 29, 2004
Hey,
I was using Cool edit for a few years and recently upgraded to audtion. But im curiouse how good these programs are.
Is there a vast difference between audition and protools or cakewalk? I want the best. I heard that protools has some kind of hardware that comes with it to make it easeir, does cakewalk as well? if any one has seen/used all 3 of these i would MUCH apriciate any info-advice you might have
Thanks again and GREAT website
MaX RaY
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Jun 29, 2004 08:23 pm Ooops sorry i forgot, also im not using any midi so if cake walk only does midi than i need somthing else thanks again
Jun 29, 2004 08:44 pm Cakewalk prducts do both midi and audio. You can use Guitar Tracks Pro 3 from them and it is an audio only recording program. And with Cakewalk products there is no need for proprietary hardware so you can use any soundcard you wish.
ProTools uses proprietary hardware and software, which means you can only use the pluggins they design, and they are not cheap at all.
Cakewalk products come with a large arsenal of pluggins and it will also support both DX and VST so you can use many freeware as well as for pay pluggins.
Many people have been talking about Audition and are liking it. I personally feel that for a higher quality the higher priced apps do much more. But in the long run, Audition may be all you need.
Jun 29, 2004 08:57 pm bottom line, they are all 24-bit apps, high sample rate capable, so they all sound good. It's not a matter of whats "best" there is no "best".
The best is what works for you, and is easiest for you to use...for me, it's Cakewalk and MultitrackStudio...both 24-bit, both do MIDI and virtual instruments, both support DirectX and VST plugins, both have good editing features...but then, so do a lot of other apps...
My advice is download some demos and see what you like best.
Jun 29, 2004 09:02 pm wow this is my favorite web site now hehe... you guys are fast.
Ok so Cakewalk and Audition both good... now with mastering up 30 seperate tracks... i can mix down to two but should i use an outside program? or should either one of those be ok doing mastering too cause i know that audition has some mastereing function but it seems limited to me... is somthing like Sound Forge that much better that its worth the money?
Thanks again...
Matt
Jun 29, 2004 09:04 pm And also with that "Guitar tracks"...is that just as good as the full version just with out the midi or is it a cut down version, cause i dont wanna go down hill from what i allready have
Jun 29, 2004 10:52 pm Audition is actually quite capable in the mastering dept, with most of the tools you need to do the job. The problem is one more of convience as it's not always easy to piece together the different to tools to obtain the deired results. Thats where tools such as Ozone, Waves, etc make the result easier, more convienient to obtain IMO.
If you already have Audition I would look at something such as Ozone, or if money is no object Waves or one of the other higher end packages. If you haven't upgraded to AA 1.5 I would seriously take a look at doing that as well.
Dan
Jun 29, 2004 11:08 pm Max Ray,
This is not to pick apart your words, just to make sure we are all on the same page. Typically "mastering" (technically pre-mastering and mastering) is done post mix down. That is to say 30 tracks would be mixed to two (stereo not suround) and the two track would then be mastered. I really like dB's approach: try some and see what you like. Most apps are very close in audio reproduction quality. It's the features, ease of use (subjective), and overall capablilty of the applications that make a difference. Compatibility with quality plug-ins is important as well as dB mentioned per directX and VST. It is worthwhile to do some hands on research and shoping around as in the long run if you can land with an app that you like a lot, it is much less expensive to upgrade than to start over as applications progress. Also, listen to some of the music posted under music and composition, then check out folks bio's and see what they used. Personally, I think Audition formerly Cool Edit Pro is somewhat "toy-esk" in comparison to say Cakewalk, Stienberg, Pro Tools. I swear I can hear a difference between files I process with Cubase SX and Cool Edit Pro. That could be purely psychological however.
Jun 30, 2004 12:15 am Quote:
That could be purely psychological however.
How so Walt ?
Jun 30, 2004 12:39 am Well, Cool Edit's reverb and chorus plugins are definitely distinct. I can tell them a mile away. Oh, and nice to see you around olddog.
Jun 30, 2004 01:01 am Hue,
It's probably a lot of little things. Probably things that have no bearing on the quality of the app. First the previous name; Cool Edit Pro. The word "cool" turned me off right now. Adolesent appeal I guess, although I still use the word too often. Second, everybody I run into has a piroted copy. Like shareware almost. Third, some of the presets, fun sounds for halloween, but well... The liturature that came with it read like an arcade game as well. Just hard for me to take it real seriously. I'm finding the inspection function of Cubase SX is far more powerfull and has many more options, so I am rarely using it for an editor any longer. Cubase was a little more difficult to learn, but..well enough said. Now can I actually hear a difference? I think I would have to be presented two copies of the same piece for an A B comparison without knowledge of which was produced with which app to really know.
Jun 30, 2004 03:31 am OOOOOOH!!!
Walt said he didn't like Coolo's name
Joke joke...
Jun 30, 2004 08:19 am Presley!
Not cool. Err Ah, I mean, well you know.
Jun 30, 2004 08:28 am I am kinda with Walt on a lot of levels. Cool Edit Pro due partly to the name it does mentally hit me as an amatuer app, which really was true back when I initially made that mental block, but really isn't any more...I also passed that same mental judgement of "FruityLoops" back then cuz it "sounded" cheesy, and I was well proved wrong when I used it for the first time...
There is a lot in a name.
Jun 30, 2004 09:04 am Bingo! dB. Fruity hit me the same way, but for a very brief period of time. For some reason I could see through that one. I'll bet if I didn't find Cool Edit until after it became Audition everything would have been just fine.
Jun 30, 2004 02:30 pm Coolo wrote:
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Oh, and nice to see you around olddog
Thanks Coolo! :) Yep I've been on a bit of a hiatus, I was spending waaaaay to much time online and the computer in general and neglecting other things, had to kinda of back off a bit for awhile. :)
Walt & Db
Yep a name goes along way toward first impressions of anything including recording app's. :) Course when you think about it Cakewalk, Sonar, Cubase etc, aren't exactly Pro sounding names either.
I initially made my decision to buy CEP 2.1 based on price vs features included. Today with the new version of Sonar it would be a more difficult choice. CEP/Audition still though includes one of the best wave editors out there along with high quality builtin plugin's, that you'd need to spend more bucks for in the others.
Dan
Jun 30, 2004 08:02 pm ok so hands down what is the BEST Software recording program for analog instruments. Also keep in mind i record each track individually through a 16 channel board...
Jun 30, 2004 08:08 pm for recording and mixing and also one for mastering... here is the problem, my recordings just seem to sound like there behind a wall a little bit. not muffled, theres plenty of treble but they just seem ...un emotional if you know what i mean... no exitment...
Mabey if someone wouldnt mind they could check one of my recordings (of my band) i would really appriciate it...
stage.vitaminic.com/500/
im using all new stuff and good mics... and a compressor... mabey its not software...HELP PLEASE!!!
Jun 30, 2004 09:20 pm Quote:
ok so hands down what is the BEST Software recording program for analog instruments
Like I have said about a billion times:
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The best is what works for you, and is easiest for you to use...for me, it's Cakewalk and MultitrackStudio...both 24-bit, both do MIDI and virtual instruments, both support DirectX and VST plugins, both have good editing features...but then, so do a lot of other apps...
Nobody can say whats "the best"..."the best" is a juvenial way to look at anything, there is never a best or a worst...it's all Ford vs. Chevy, Gibson vs. Fender, Lee vs. Levi...it's personal preference. They all get the job done, it's what fits you best...for Me it's Sonar, for El Musico it's Pro Tools, for Geoff it's Vegas, for Walt it's Cubase, for coolo it's Cool Edit Pro...there is no "hands down" answer.
Jul 01, 2004 10:13 am do you have the speakers hooked up?
Jul 01, 2004 10:19 am One thingOne thing you gotta realize, all software does is capture the sound you send to. The variable are sample rate and bit rate which you send, and slight sound differences based on the audio engine they have...but if your sound is flat and "unemotional", it's probably the sound you are sending to the computer...or the sound card...it would be much more productive to start at the sound card, rather than the software.
What sound card do you have?
Jul 01, 2004 10:45 am Yup Max Ray, I realize you are doing research by posting here and gathering opinions on different software, however, there is no circumventing continuing your research by trying different softwares, doing price comparisons, downloading and reading the user's manuals, considering what your long range plan is, etc. Even with all of that changes in the industry can alter your perception of the "Best" software. For the operating professional studio, pro tools is still the most accepted in the industry. That is continually being challanged by others however. Control surfaces for pro tools are the most readly available, however again others are gaining ground in that aspect as well. For the hobiest or part time studio, it's all a matter of available funds, personal asperation, and simple preference as subjective as that may be. I have heard fabulous productions here by members using everything from freeware to protools to cubase to everything else. I have heard real poor productions as well from some who havn't had a lot of time in as well with all softwares.
The folks who have done the best have started very small, used what they could afford to the best of their ability, and gathered bigger and better when they exhausted the potential of what they are currently using.
Jul 01, 2004 04:28 pm I have used Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 (which I still have, Sonar (which I no longer have) and Cubase SX2 which I now use and love.
I know DB uses Cakewalk stuff as does Noize, I know others use Cubase and some folks use Pro Tools (I think).
Everyone's hit it on the head. Try em all! Try try try. Record the same song in em all and see which one is:
1 Easiest
2 Fastest learning curve
3 You like best
Which ever fits this criteria is "the best". Your sounds quality will all be the same for most apps 24bit etc etc - if you get crap sounds out em all either
1 You are a very bad musician (UNLIKELY)
2 Your sound card is not so good (VERY POSSIBLE)
I had this problem. My sounds were all out of time (TILL SOMEONE TAUGHT ME ABOOT LATENCY!!).
I got a new card and bingo - my stuff was in time and the world was sweet!
its all aboot trial and error and experiementing.
I made a quick switch from Cakewalk to Cubase and never looked back. Im glad I did but there are many other apps oot there working for folks. A guy on here, TonyD uses a less expensive program and gets (in my opinion) some far better results than guys I know with top of the range apps (or supposedly top of the range). Tony's stuff is ace - have a listen...
It aint what you have - its what you do with it :-).
Good luck.
Coco.
Jul 01, 2004 11:03 pm Well put Coco!
It's not spelling or math. You can't just memorize a bunch of rules or formulas and produce music. It's largely about experience. Experience everything. Record everything. Make a mess, have a ball! The "ear" has to be developed. The best musicians "play" not practice. The best recording engineers do the same. A good musician can make a junk instrument sound fabulous. It's the same with an engineer. Enjoy the ride. It's da bomb!
Jul 02, 2004 02:14 am FYI: Pro Tools will run third party plugins and guess what? FXpansion has a plugin that allows for VST plugins to be utilized via a wrapper.
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