Waves Bundle

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Anyone ever use it before? I can't believe how awesome it is after using it for the first time yesterday. :) I have no idea what half of this stuff does yet. hehe

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Jun 24, 2004 07:43 am

Which bundle?

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Jun 24, 2004 07:44 am

I've used the Native Power Pack bundle for years, they are awesome...

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www.charlienaebeck.com
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Jun 24, 2004 08:06 am

Its the Waves Platinum Bundle. Got it in the big studio the other day. I was almost wishing I had it for my home setup also. heheh :)

Yeah DB, a friend of mine has the Native packs and they are pretty cool. I wish that Pro Tools was more VST friendly. I ended up getting a VST to RTAS adapter to be able to use things like that. heheh Digidesign is loosing out on a lot of cool apps by not directly supporting VST's and Direct X...

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Jun 24, 2004 08:10 am

Digidesign is making it's millions from the big-boy pro facilities...not us little guys...if it ain't made by digi, they don't want you to use it...sadly

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Jun 24, 2004 08:23 am

yeah, its amazing how they make people go into hock for their equipment. My friend just got an HD1 system in the big studio I am working at recently and he probably went into hock with a 2nd mortgage just to get it. lol I am just trying to familiarize myself with as many systems as possible at the moment caus I am going to be attending Full Sail in a couple years once my wife finishes school to go for a Bachelors of Science degree.

I also started working off Cubase SX in a different studio just to get a hands on for a different type of environment. :)

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Jun 24, 2004 08:27 am

Then there are guys like TonyD here at HRC that make good music with Magix Studio...a $60 app or so...or flame that uses nothing but free stuff.

It's not what ya got...it's how you use it...so says every guy with a small unit LOL

not that I do of course...

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Jun 24, 2004 08:32 am

lmao... yeah, everyone keeps telling me that before I go to school I should learn some of the old analog gear just to have a better ear for whats going on and learn the actual techniques better. I have been working a lot more with odd combinations of mic placement and room tuning lately in down time.

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Jun 24, 2004 11:30 am

digidesign...are they gonna build themselves out of the market? im not sure i understand their business strategy. it's limiting.

it's like if there was the "regular internet," which everyone grows up with and loves, and then there's a "special elitist internet"--which looks impressive and has self-proclaimed "better info," but which can't access 99 percent of the web. which internet will last longer?

if a 20 dollar plugin makes a cool mangled sound you cant get any other way, it's valuable! what are they thinkin'

...bringing sexy back
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Jun 24, 2004 12:23 pm

its not credible unless its extortionate, thats the thinking...which is a shame

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Jun 24, 2004 12:23 pm

I tend agree, but it will be a long building process...Digi is still living with the vast majority of the professional market. That said, from trade mags I read, interviews with peeps, most of them only have it because "they have to" and many are starting to look at and use Nuendo and some other options out there.

When Digi developed this strategy they were the only real option a pro music facility had and they could get away with stuff like this, everything else was "hobby studio" type stuff, like early Cakewalk stuff. Now that Cakewalk, Steinberg, Sony (with the acquisition of Sonic Foundry software) and others are making very high quality stuff over the last few years, I think the climate is ripe for a changing of the guard. Regardless, it'll be a long time...

I think the consumer has more options now, and it's not in the hobby studio that digi makes their money anyway, it's just where they try to get you roped in to their corral.

Hello!
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Jun 24, 2004 12:47 pm

Agree wi y'all...

I have not spent thousands of pounds and I got better sounds (with my limited recording experience) than a mate who is in a "pro" band, went to "pro" studio who ended up with a "$"% sound!!!!

Still...it is a shame but thats what happens when you open your wallet and throw the cash rather than opening your eyes and ears and use it wisely!

Coco

...bringing sexy back
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Jun 24, 2004 12:50 pm

Quote:
or flame that uses nothing but free stuff.


hey, i gotta admit, im using cubasis now, but hey, it dont get much more cost effective than that!

everything else was free though, my compressor cost 8! keepin it street!

...bringing sexy back
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Jun 24, 2004 12:51 pm

oh yeah, ive got some free flame vsti's in the making, so keep an eye out for them...

Freeleance Producer/Engineer/Gtr
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Jun 24, 2004 02:07 pm

Riffgod, so you can't believe people would spend so much on gear, but you'd dish out $50K on Full Sail?

Since you'd have to relocate anyway, i'd look into the Conservatory of Recording Arts and Sciences. Great school with 8 different studios (Neve, Neotek, SSL, 5.1 surround Digidesign Control24). I go attend school there now and i'm happy for doing so. The quality of teachers there are great. One of my instuctors, Ghery Fimbres, is a ghost writer in the industry. He started the Matrix group (wrote Avril Lavigne's first album and others) and has been working with Maynard James Keenan (tool, perfect circle) since Sober. He was the one who taught me about compression and he learned directly from the guy who invented it, Juergen Walleh.

Anyway, i'm just really impressed with the program here and thought i'd share it with you.

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Jun 24, 2004 03:13 pm

i'll take this opportunity again to caution against full sail.


Nothing doesnt give me gas
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Jun 25, 2004 12:27 am

The L1 is almost worth the whole price of the bundle!!!!1

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Jun 25, 2004 01:00 am

I would love the waves bundle and hairball myself, but not in the budget at the monent. As far as Pro Tools, I only know I can produce results that meet or exceed 90% of what is sold off the shelf with Cubase, CEP, and Ozone. Now I do spend some time doing that. How that relates to production music; time spent in comparison to PT i.e. relitive production cost; I have no idea. Obviously I can't comment on the return on investement of PT and it's associated control and automation facilities. It may be a reasonable investement for the large studio. In as much as it has also cornered the market per educational facilities it may also be a reasonable investement in terms of training costs, i.e. cost of retraining engineers schooled on PT. It is obvious however for my needs PT is nothing more than conspicious consumption.

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Jun 25, 2004 04:38 am

el musico: Where is the school located? What do their admissions run usually? What do they offer as far as degrees when you are done with their programs?

Otherwise.... Has anyone ever attended Full Sail before on the boards also that has any insite to how the school functions? The reason I choose Full Sail is caus I would have a place to live for free with family down there if I moved and would only have to worry about admissions costs pretty much. I am also coming from a background of working in a band that was on Lava before and working A & R in NYC for a production company previously, so I am looking for a pro situation. It is not an option in my book really to not be in a professional environment in music one way or another.

Its sort of like if you've had a dream all your life and you are bound and determined to follow thorugh with it no matter what. lol

With that said, the other school I was semi-considering was Berklee.. anyone have any suggestions about Berklee?



guitwizz: As for the L1, I haven't gotten to play with it yet, but what is its primary function in waves? I will have to check it out when I get back over to the other place.

Nothing doesnt give me gas
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Jun 25, 2004 10:54 am

Riff,
The L1 and l2 are maximizing plugs that squeeze all the possible db out of a song bar clipping, and is usually used dead last.

It works real well, in fact Id even say its "Super swell"!!!

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Jun 25, 2004 12:11 pm

full sail is a trade school. berklee (if i'm thinking of the right school) is world famous and you'll come out with a real degree! i know which choice i'd make.

www.homerecordingconnecti...d=3413&frm4

www.homerecordingconnecti...d=3007&frm4

i don't know if you've seen these, but here are some other threads which talk about full sail a bit. the biggest thing to remember is that full sail is not a normal school. you'll have classes at 2 and 3 in the morning sometimes and there's no way to reschedule them. it's an immersion environment. you get out only what you put in.

i think i got the tuituion wrong in those threads. i think it's up to like 50,000 now.


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Jun 25, 2004 01:49 pm

well, the conservatory is located in tempe,az (with a 2nd campus in gilbert, you attend both) and its website is www.audiorecordingschool.com

you do not recieve an actual degree that applies to college credit. the cost is 13.5k and it's a 9 month long program. The teachers are great and currently work in the industry. This is a professional but cohesive learning environment. some prior students have won grammies for their work with outkast and radiohead, so oviously students are being prepared to be professionals in the industry.

I did not go to full sail but i hear the horror stories all the time. The classes here at CRAS are small. Also, studio owners will get about 75 resumes from full sail students every time a class graduates, but they will receive a phone call from CRAS staff that knows you, calling on your behalf.

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Jun 26, 2004 06:17 am

guitwizz: ahh, gotcha I know that PT comes with a limiter already but from the reviews I have been reading about the L1 I have to test it out when I get back in the studio again for sure. It'll probably blow the AudioSuite plug away. haha


fortymile: you're from Orlando? Which side of town? I have in-laws that live down there just over close to Metro West actually which is why I was considering school there in the first place. They would float a Free place to live and it would help me foot the bill if I end up there a bit if I decide to go.

As for the review.... Sounds like a lot of the atendees there do not have the motivation and ambition that it takes to make it in the industry. In my situation, I already have some friends I can somewhat call in favors with if I finish school wherever I end up... I mainly want a facility that has modern equipment and can teach me what I want to know and if you get a bachelors degree out of it, you can fall back on that for many other different jobs other than just music pretty much. I have a friend that got a manager position at a large corporation with a bachelors from Full Sail. I figured it would give me some options even if the state of the music biz is sketchy when I finished.



el musico: Thanks for the link. I will check it out. :) I have heard good things about the Matrix team actually through various sources. That would be quite an interesting position to write with artists for a living like that. heheh


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Jun 26, 2004 12:59 pm

riffgod,

i live in oviedo, which is north and east of town, pretty close to the university of central florida.

full sail grants a real B.A. degree? so theyre like, accredited? thats one thing i didn't know, or else forgot about.

yes, thats the cheif problem. a lot of people who go there think they can just slack off.

like i said in one of those reviews though, the main issue for me was that for all that money, you get precious little time and personal attention. you can go through the film program, for example, and wind up with a bit technical role on the class final project. you dont even get to make your own film!

but for recording, thats a program that--i think--can do something for you, if you put something into it. just make sure you have a clear head if you're deciding on full sail!

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Jun 27, 2004 10:32 am

ahh, thats cool. Right out next to University Blvd. then? My sister-in-law and her ex used to live out that way actually and go to UCF.

Yeah, Full Sail is an accelerated BA in Science degree if you complete the recording and business programs. That seems ideal to me caus I never was into the whole thing of completing 4 full years of school to get anything and haven't found any other programs I was interested in. haha

If I went into it I definately would take it seriously instead of slacking like Mommy and Daddy paid for it for me caus I would be putting up my own funding from saving for like 2-5 years to get there. lol I don't get the people that think they can have a free ride in life and not strive for their goals and think everyone will do it for them.

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Jun 27, 2004 02:42 pm

ok, good then.

oviedo is about 15 minutes away from university blvd. out towards the country, on the edge of geneva, where it becomes forests and swamps most of the way to the coast.

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Jun 28, 2004 10:08 pm

ahh, thats cool. Haven't gone exploring too much in the country side when I've been down there. Sometimes have gotten out towards Lakeland, St. Pete, Tampa, Daytona, Miami, and Boca Raton (SP?) but haven't been to any of the country sides of FL. I always wanted to drive down and explore some of the everglades though. :)

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Jun 28, 2004 10:37 pm

me too. the everglades would probably be on my list of 'acceptable florida things.' currently only about 10 things are on that list, including the ocean, st. augustine and this one bar.

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Jun 28, 2004 11:21 pm

haha... not Disney? ;) Which bar? Have you ever been over to the Orlando Ale House before? Its over near Metro West just off of Silverstar if I remember correctly.

man, we should get an IM session going instead of taking up the boards for this stuff you know... lol

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