Fruity Loops experts pls read this!!!
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Posted on Apr 19, 2002 08:17 am
Ahmed Hashim
Member Since: Apr 17, 2002
Hi, I desperately need some help with Fruity Loops. This one thing I can't figure out for the life of me!!!
I'm making a beat in a 4th timing and would like to do a drum roll using the bass drum in an 8th timing...so in other words, the bass drum goes TWICE as fast as the normal beat is going
double bass playing in 8th timing while normal beat is playing in 4th timing...I can do this using PC Drummer but due to the obvious superiority of Fruity Loops I have switched over to Fruity Loops. If you can't understand my problem and would like to hear an MP3 clip of what kind of sound I'd like, please email me [email protected] and I'll send u the clip (very short about 100kb) of what I'm trying to get Fruity Loops to do.
If you understand what I'm trying to do and know how to do it using Fruity Loops, please help me out.
Thanks people.
Ahmed.
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Apr 19, 2002 08:37 am I know what you mean, there are two options (assuming I understand you correctly) First, there are options in FruityLoops, it's not in front of me right now so I can't say exactly where) to set the time signature of the song, so you can get down to 32nd notes for faster beats, I would hit the "help" option to find out where it is...also, the harder way would be to export your whole drum track minus the kick to a wav file, then make just the kick drum track and set the bpm of the track twice as fast, export it, them import both tracks to your multitracking application...
Does that make sense?
Additionally, maybe collapse will have a little more insight into possiblities...or, maybe I misunderstood your prob, if so, please correct me.
[size=4]collapse, ya out there?[/size]
Apr 19, 2002 10:57 am heres what db is talking about(and how i do it)
simply click on options up at the top then change the bar length to 32 (or 64 if you need it)
then double your desired tempo.. say you want a beat at 80bpm.. make it 160. then space your kicks and snares further apart. this can allow for some ungodly fast double bass or snare rolls.
this can be done with a bar length of 32, but youll find yourself making a lot of patterns. 64 gives you a bit more to work with.
btw. im still here db, my comp went mad the other night and i was reformating =)
SonicoMember
Since: Apr 19, 2002
Apr 19, 2002 12:57 pm I don't know if I did understand, but I think that an option to do what you want is sending the drum track to the piano roll and edit it the way you want. (don't forget to set the snap time to tick).
Apr 20, 2002 01:30 am Thanks for the replies everyone. I'll let you guys know which of the features worked out after I try all of them. The piano roll seemed like the feature that would do it, but I couldn't figure it out. Will try playing around with it a little more.
Right now I have an exam in 2 hours, so I better get my butt of the net!!
Bye.
Ahmed.
Apr 20, 2002 10:47 am Turns out you cant change the tempo of ONE PATTERN, only the tempo of the entire SONG. Same goes for the timing and Bar Length.
So I guess I'll have to make a seperate drum loop for the real fast speed drum rolls and beats which is really gonna be a major PANE :(
If anyone knows how to change the TEMPO and/or BAR LENGTH / TIMING of just ONE pattern in Fruity Loops pls help me out.
Thanks.
Ahmed.
Apr 20, 2002 11:04 am there is no way to do that in FL.. thats why i said you can achieve the same effect by doubling the tempo and spacing out the beats. give me 5 minutes and ill have pictures to show you.
Apr 20, 2002 12:05 pm Ahmed, just make the patterns individually, not as part of the same song, export then as seperate wav files and import them into the same song in your multitracking app...you can make a few different FruityLoops files at double tempo and single tempo, export them as seperate wavs and import them into the same song in your multitracking app to for use...
yikes, did that make sense? I meant the right thing, I dunno if it came out right though...
Apr 20, 2002 12:45 pm hmm might have to wait for the pics.. when i reformated, somehow i didnt get my email.. so i have to wait til my host emails me back =P
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Apr 21, 2002 12:30 am Yo dude's, I found it. Go to Option's, Song Setting's, and change the beat length to 8 or whatever you like, this is the number of beat's per mesure. You can also adjust your note res. there too. This is the PPQ, (pulse per quaternote) option and can let you define a res out to 192, it defaults at 96.
Apr 21, 2002 02:06 am Thanks everyone!
Believe it or not dB Masters, I actually DID understand what you meant! LOL :)
Yeah Noize2u I saw that option just yesterday myself. I will make seperate loops and export them seperately into my Multitracking App (Sonic Foundry Vegas), it's no problem. I'm sure this problem is licked.
Thanks everyone for their help!
Ahmed.
P.S. If you guys ever want a Drums synth application which supports making an entire song with Tempo Changes and Timing changes within the song without having to make seperate loops, I recommend PC Drummer Pro. However, it's old fashioned interface gets kinda annoying at times as compared to FL's fresh new look!
Apr 24, 2002 08:42 pm Hi Ahmed,
I assume you're using Fruity 3.x?
I believe I have an easier solution (that is, once you get the hang of it) in which everything can be done inside FL.
Make your bass drum pattern in the piano roll. There is a drop-down menu in the upper right hand corner of the screen with the word 'SNAP' under it. Set this to 1/4 step. You can then drag the right side of a note in the piano roll until it is half the value of a quarter note (or, double click the note and set the duration to 12 ticks). Then add as many of these eigth notes as you'd like, and there's your killer roll!
I admit I can be pretty long-winded sometimes :)
If you'd like me to send a pattern illustrating this technique, just drop me an email at jsd178 at psu.edu (use '@' instead of 'at', obviously - just trying to avoid receiving more spam than I already get).
Cheers!
