Jun 10, 2004 09:55 am how about a link dude?
I finally posted a song
Posted on Jun 10, 2004 09:52 am
TheJazzyOne
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Member Since: Feb 03, 2003
Hey guys
After months of taking advantage of your guys' extreme recording knowledge, I finally decided I'd post a song to see what you guys think.
I was going to wait until my band completed a more official "studio" album before I posted, but I'm pretty proud of this demo we just did. We did it during practice. We were just laying down the song for our own practice purposes... we didn't really have any intention of making it into a demo. But, I started playing around with the tracks, and I was happy with the outcome, for what it is, so I thought I'd share it.
It's in the Members Music section, under the Standard Members Rock. It's called Washing Away. Check it out, and let me know if you have any tips for me.
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Jun 10, 2004 09:57 am Good call.
Ask and you shall receive.
www.mintpink.net/music/Mi...ngAway_Demo.mp3
Jun 10, 2004 10:10 am unfortunately it doesn't work on this computer with super old media player. Will check it this week-end from home.
Jun 10, 2004 11:09 am I liked it. I didn't care for the fuzzy sounding guitar during the chorus, but that's just me. Mix was good.
Jun 10, 2004 11:09 am Snare, bass and distorted guitars are terrible for me, sorry.
Jun 10, 2004 11:14 am Terrible in that you just didn't like them, or you think I should've done something different.
I'm all about feedback.
Jun 10, 2004 11:59 am I'd be interested in hearing this post-HarBal. There are some really cool bits in that song, and I like what you've written, but the overall experience was kind of tinny, between the guitars and cymbals. There too much high end, and it sounded like some instruments (cymbals and guitars, especially) are fighting for the same eq frequencies. (today I'm at home, listening through headphones)
Musically speaking, again, I liked the general idea and the sound of the song, but there was one thing that jumped out at me as a little too discordant for my ear. That's the guitar bit in the verse, where there's a big slow bend up and then down. It would have been more aesthetically pleasing, for me at least, if the note could have gone up to one a little higher and more solid melodically speaking.
I give the song a thumbs up, and if you fix the eq troubles, I think the end result would make for a pretty good listen.
Jun 10, 2004 12:15 pm Tincanbug, thanks a lot man, that's awesome.
I'll definitely work on the EQ stuff, and I'll listen to the guitar bend (that's my part anyway, so it should be easy for me to mess with)
Jun 10, 2004 01:59 pm BTW, I'm going to touch up the mix a little this weekend, and then I will use HarBal on it and master it a bit more carefully (this was a test mix and a quick 15 minute mastering job).
But I would still appreciate all the comments that anyone has on this particular mix, because it will help me focus on specific weak points a little better, you know?
I'll try to take into consideration all of the critques that you guys can give me, and then I'll post the new version Wednesday (long weekend for me)
Jun 10, 2004 03:50 pm Ja, I dont like the sound, tracks are too thin and competing between themselves, bass has no sustain (maybe bad guitar itself, maybe some compression can help). Snare sounds like played with brushes, but muddy (again maybe badly tuned or miced snare, maybe you miced it only under drum), acoustic guitar is also muddy with some high harmonics. Distorted guitar is thin and too much ambient, seems it is recorded simply pluging it into mixer and when processed with some reverb plugin. It is a little similar to my first multitrack recordings, so if it is your start, it is not bad. Seems it is not the fault of mixing or eq'ing but of badly sounding instruments and bad micing. Sorry, man, it is my opinion.
Jun 10, 2004 07:31 pm Fixing the guitar sounds seems like it would be the most likely thing to improve the mix. You definitely need the sound of a mic'ed guitar speaker or atleast somekind of speaker emulation such as those found in our modern day modeling processors. However I kind of think if you keep one of your original tracks but mix it very low against the new speaker tracks, it might make a cool effect
Jun 11, 2004 01:41 am Hmm, Hope to critique "Edvo" someday, he sounds like he really knows his stuff!! Of course, with that angelic little face, I am sure he/she rocks!!!!
Anyway, the vocal hook is great man, the guitars( like has been said) need the most attention.
I would also limit the guitar solo hooky stuff, as it doesnt add much to the song the way that it sets in the progression.
But the vocal hook is very cool, thats the best sounding quality in the song, and it sounds radio-bound!!!!!
Jun 11, 2004 03:30 am My criticism was planned to be constructive, sorry if it sounded disdainful
Jun 11, 2004 08:57 am Edvo, no harm. I want opinions, and you gave yours. I appreciate that.
From the sounds of it, everyone agrees that my guitar parts need work. That will be my focus for the weekend.
The acoustic probably sounds muddy because I tried some new stereo effects. I probably overdid it. I'll look into that.
As far as the bass having no sustain, it's because the bass player doesn't hold many notes on this song. He purposely made it choppier. There is no note there to ring out.
Jun 11, 2004 02:11 pm Hey, I liked this song. I agree with guitwizz that this has some radio potential. However, I also agree with Tincan on the guitar bend being a bit off. But I like the way it sounds when you do it for the second time in the intro. Personally, I think the vocals are a bit off pitch wise here and there, but nothing too much. The cymbals seem to take up a lot of sound spectrum, and seem to drown the guitar in the chorus. I actually like the snare and the bass and the kick comes through. Maybe you could make the bass a little fuller sounding by way of giving it a bit more eq space on top (compression is good). I also like your little guitar solo. I feel like the guitar is a bit up front in the mix, especially, at the beginning of the notes before it starts to decay. As far as the distortion goes, it's a bit funky, but it makes its point, and I wouldn't worry as much about this. I think a little work on the guitar and cymbals would help for sure. Overall you've got a good song on your hands, and this mix is not as troublesome as everyone (including myself) is making it out to be, especially for a demo. But just trying to help you refine it a bit if you know what I mean.
Jun 11, 2004 03:01 pm I know exactly what you mean. That's extremely helpful, thank you for taking the time to type it out.
It is in fact just a demo, and it's not going to be perfect. The only thing I'll really be re-recording on this take is the distorted guitar, because I'm the only one in the band that has all this time (and the extreme addiction) to put into this demo when there are other recording projects to work on.
But at the same time, I'm also using this as practice for when we get the cleaner tracks laid down. I want to keep working with this track as long as I have the time to do so, and I want it to be as perfect as it can possibly be, so I really appreciate the help you guys are giving.
Any advice on taming the cymbals without completely losing their power? (I agree, in spots they're too much)
Jun 11, 2004 03:01 pm well i liked it, so much that i had to screw with it a little- see if this grabs ya
members.cox.net/cocomusic
Hope you dont mind, the changes are really small- but i think its a little more rounded and full now. tell me what you think.
Jun 11, 2004 03:13 pm Tony, I think it sounds good man. I don't mind a bit. I play with other people's songs that I download all the time! :-)
It definitely sounds less harsh in some spots which it definitely needs. I think because of whatever you had to do to make it less harsh, it also made it a small bit too mid-heavy in other spots, but I figure that's probably the fault of the mixing, since you only had so much to work with in the first place.
What did you do with it?
Jun 11, 2004 04:28 pm Well fellas (and ladies if there are any reading)
I'm leaving for the weekend, and I'll be without the internet until Wednesday, so I won't be able to read any more of your replies, but I'm going to try to put some of your suggestions into play. Hopefully I'll come back Wednesday with an updated version of the song.
Thanks again
Jun 19, 2004 08:46 pm Definetely a good start. Not much else to say, these guys have most of it covered.
If I was you I would cut the song down in time. It seems to get redundant after 4 and a half min.
The guitar bends need to go. A couple times in the intro is where it needs to end. No offense, but a beginner guitarist can do the same. You want to be able to show versatility and talent, especially in a demo. Same goes for the solo. It's alrght. Just get rid of the bends. Lean more towards arpeggios.
Jun 19, 2004 11:47 pm Thought there was ,.. "not much else to
say"?....LOL!!!!!!!!!
yoo funnee tigah foo!!
Hmm,,, well, I guess If I had no parachute, Id sound rike that too!!!!!!
Jun 21, 2004 01:49 am Just had a chance to listen... cool song TJO ! I agree with these guys in reguard to the cymbals-mix, though I like the guitar bends... maybe 'tuck them in' the mix a little bit ? Great jarb, nonetheless !
Quote:
"...(and the extreme addiction)..."
Terrible affliction isn't it ?
Jun 21, 2004 09:14 pm [quote]Thought there was ,.. "not much else to
say"?....LOL!!!!!!!!!
yoo funnee tigah foo!![/quote]
.....not much else AT THIS TIME. No offense to TheJazzyOne but the song is far from complete. You can't judge the rest of the recording before having the problems mentioned above corrected first.
Jun 22, 2004 09:52 am No offense taken, but you're listening to the old version.
Here's the new thread.
www.homerecordingconnecti...=4571&frm=1
Jun 22, 2004 01:41 pm Tiger: My quote there was pointing out that you said
"Definetely a good start. Not much else to say, these guys have most of it covered".
And then you went on to say a few other things that YOU thought was wrong, and needed correction, which totally negates the "not much else to say" comment...... doesnt make much sense to me, oh well...
Like he said above, AT LEAST listen to the right version before blowing out your opinions. (which are very respected by the way)
Jeez, youd think jazzy was my little brother, and I was protecting him from punks!!!
HAHAHA!!!!
Jun 22, 2004 02:59 pm :-) Thanks Bro. I appreciate it.
Now mom wants us home for dinner.
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