drum trigger/midi question

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punk rock @$$hole
Member Since: Feb 29, 2004

triggered drums seem to be all the rage in metal today. i dont typicaly use midi or triggers mainly because i am poor and these things are expensive.

ddrumm makes the triggers for very little $$$ but the brain or drum machine is over $1000
could these triggers be ran straight into a computer or my adat24 which has a midi connection to get the samples and them insert the drum sounds later in a program??

again sorry if this question is lame but even the guy at guitar center was not sure. i just want to have midi triggered drums in case i dont like the sound of the acoustic drums

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...bringing sexy back
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Since: Jul 01, 2002


May 13, 2004 10:58 am

if i know what youre talking about like ithink i do, then yeah, easy

i can do this in fruityloops using only a qwerty keyboard, so yeah, it can be done...

punk rock @$$hole
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Since: Feb 29, 2004


May 13, 2004 11:06 am

hmm i think i need to spend all day reading about midi now.

...bringing sexy back
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Since: Jul 01, 2002


May 13, 2004 11:17 am

have ya got fruity? thats how im learning, so i can help with that a little...other than that theres some stuff in our recording tips section on it too.

punk rock @$$hole
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Since: Feb 29, 2004


May 13, 2004 11:53 am

i have fruity loops.

hmm are you just changing the sound in fruity loops or can you replace and existing kick drum track in a real acoustic recording?

i posted this question over at tapeop and whoever answered said i need the drum machine to convert the signal from the trigger to a usable midi signal before i could run it throught the midi input on my hd24

hmm 3 people with 3 answers............

...bringing sexy back
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Since: Jul 01, 2002


May 13, 2004 11:55 am

that much is beyond me, having never done it...

hang tight til noize is on, he's da midi man

punk rock @$$hole
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Since: Feb 29, 2004


May 13, 2004 12:03 pm

thats my problem. i understand these concepts but have not applied them.

typically i dont like making my recording too fancy. 24 tracks. mics. push record if i mess up do it again......no clever editing i just like to make raw talent sound as good as it can but. i like recording as simply as possible.

but now that i do real good at raw recording i think i need to digitalize myself more. meaning i know what i want to do to a song in sonar but dont know where to begin. learning to use a new piece of hardware is certainly easier than learning software and pointing and click(way off topic but it feels good to rant)

Bohemian
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Since: May 04, 2003


May 13, 2004 12:58 pm

don't worry

midi really isn't that hard as I thought

I also thought midi was gonna be hell
well the first few hours were but now I can only see the advantages


btw I don't know how you record you're drums

seperate tracks>? If so you are able to Make those audio hits from drums into midi using trigger or quantitize if I remember Noize will be able to tell you more about that there was another thread about that though ahh welll

Good luck hope it works out:D

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


May 13, 2004 01:03 pm

Well, that depends on the triggers you buy, if they have MIDI ports on them, odds are you can hook them up to your PC, or other external MIDI drum sound modules. Tho I never use them myself, I would presume that each trigger runs on a seperate MIDI channel and each channel is assigned to a different drum sound, much like a synth does...actually, each on a sperate channel probably isn't even necessary.

Theoretically you could open a VSTi or DXi drum machine such a Velocity or Fruity in your multitracking app, and, instead of using a synth to play the beats, you assign the triggers to the different drum hits instead of synth keys...

Noize will have better detail, but yes, it is entirely possible, I know he uses a trigger for kick drums all the time.

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


May 13, 2004 09:17 pm

Josh, heres the skinny on the Ddrum triggers. They are just that triggers, the guy at GC was correct in telling you you will need some sort of interface, meaning a drum synth with trigger inputs or at the very least a trigger to midi converter. The later being not cheap either, and not easy to find.

My suggestion would be to get hold of an older Alesis, DM4. They have I believe 10 trigger inputs (which is what you need to convert the trigger signal to a midi note) that can be recorded into your PC sequancer and later used to play a drum sample back.

The other solution is finding an older Yamaha or Roland drum synth or brain. I dont remember how many trigger inputs they have but it should get you by, and they can be found on ebay or whatever pretty cheap as well.

Hope this helps, and if I didnt get all the questions answered let me know.

punk rock @$$hole
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Since: Feb 29, 2004


May 13, 2004 10:24 pm

cool. i knew they where just triggers. i was trying to find a cheap way to replace the signals from them with sounds or map it to midi for the sounds and a trigger to midi converter seems the cheapest route(i have heard of some on e-bay for under $100 but there are not alot to choose from). some one at tapeop suggested bypassing the triggers and use the actual kick drum track from the recording to trigger the DM4 or 5 and then just synch it up to the original which soungs pretty easy to do its just a matter of gating everything to trigger the drum machine right. this seems like an easy aproach since some people say setting up/maintaing triggers can be a pain.

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


May 13, 2004 10:28 pm

Ya, I do that in Sonar all the time. I even get it to work on single line stuff like bass and stuff. It takes a bit of patience but it works great when ya do it right.

punk rock @$$hole
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Since: Feb 29, 2004


May 13, 2004 10:37 pm

oh yeah thanks to anyone who put in their 2 cents

one more quick question.....since i am not pc editing master....... which program would be best to use on such an application?

--db said--Theoretically you could open a VSTi or DXi drum machine such a Velocity or Fruity in your multitracking app, and, instead of using a synth to play the beats, you assign the triggers to the different drum hits instead of synth keys...

i am clueless about this portion. so once i have made the sounds in fruity,triggered from the midi map that i made from the triggers or re-routed kick for midi trigger trick. then just put them in acid and sync them up.

ok knee deep in this thread i realized why i try to keep it simple(ever notice i badmouth computers?)

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