Walk me through :| Please...
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Posted on Mar 27, 2004 03:22 pm
Loki
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Member Since: Apr 07, 2002
Alright kids, I've got my patch bay, I've got my 8 to 8 trs snake, patch cables, and my rack and mixers... Now what I want to do is hook everything up to the patch bay so that all I have to do to route things is patch it differently... can anyone help with a walkthrough on how to do it or anything? Right now everything is normalized
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Mar 27, 2004 04:04 pm Will somebody please step up and write a patch bay tutorial please! Pretty please...I'll dig up something as a prize to whoever writes the best, I have a PowerFX t-shirt still...a couple 2rAw CD's from PowerFX, a copy of IntuitiveMX....we can work somethin out...
LokiCone PokerMember
Since: Apr 07, 2002
Mar 27, 2004 04:07 pm yeah that would rock, cause I've spent all day plugging and unplugging and I haven't figured anything out yet... I mean I got the signal to come out my soundcard, into the bay, and into my mixer... but going out my other mixer, into the card, out to the patch bay, and back into the monitor mixer I get a weird delay on everything.... and i have no idea how to set up my rack.
Mar 27, 2004 04:57 pm that's hard to visualize...can you clarify your mixer arrangement? you have two? if you can describe your set up in enough detail, im sure someone here can help you. i have worked with a patch bay once back years ago in the school midi lab, and from what i remember it was pretty straightforward. just view the patch bay as a series of switches for your devices. the plugs which you plug in and move about complete the circuits.
LokiCone PokerMember
Since: Apr 07, 2002
Mar 27, 2004 05:23 pm Alright here is my set up..
Phonics Mixer Main outs to Delta 44 ins 1 and 2
Phonics Mixer Group Outs to Delta 44 ins 3 and 4
Delta 44 outs to top row of patch bay
Patch bay bottem row to ins on Yamaha Mixer
Yamaha Mixer Speaker outs to my Speakers
Yamaha Mixer Monitor Out Left to Headphones
then I have a rack with three units in it that are not connected but I would like them to be..
Reverb Unit, Sampler, and Compressor...
juesContributor
Since: Dec 30, 2002
Mar 27, 2004 07:29 pm ok ok, I'll write one when I have some free time, promise ;)
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Mar 27, 2004 11:46 pm Loki,
I would realy love to help out...here comes...but..there are just so many different ways to wire up a patch bay and mostly...here comes the other phrase...it's a matter of taste. What makes life easy for me would probably be a nightmare for ohters and visa visa. It also depends on the patch bay. Most offer only streight through connections and "normalized" connections, however Noise has a berry that also has a switchable cross circuit providing a simple in/out crossover for TRS plugs to be used for inserts. I had to modify my circuit boards to do that. I could draw my layout but I just am unable to put it in terms of words.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Mar 28, 2004 02:39 pm Loki, what patch bay did you buy? And does it have tha ability to do half-normalled and open? This will make a differance on how you will want to set it up. Also, are you going to want to run effects and such into the phonics for direct recording. I will assume you want to record the sampler as well direct into the Delta.
LokiCone PokerMember
Since: Apr 07, 2002
Mar 29, 2004 05:37 pm I have the AP audio Patch bay. It can be switched to normalized or denormalized easily.
As far as how I want this thing set up, here goes.
I want the Outs (both main, and bouth group) of the Phonics mixer to go into the delta. I want the outs of the delta to go into channel 1-4 of the Yamaha Mixer. I want my compressor to go to inserts on the phonics board, and then I want the Reverb unit and the Sampler to just be patched to where I can run the outs of the delta to the ins on eithe unit, and the outs of that unit back into a channel on the phonics so that I can mix with my hardware effects.
Make sense?
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Mar 29, 2004 06:00 pm Yep, I will try and figure something out for ya if jues doenst get back to ya. I will be more specific to your need though as it is a bit differant then most would be.
LokiCone PokerMember
Since: Apr 07, 2002
Mar 29, 2004 10:34 pm Thanks
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Mar 29, 2004 11:28 pm Noise,
I can't explain it in words for the life of me, but he has the same patch bay that I do. For his inserts I definately recomend going into the back with his bay using the convention of in bottom out top with his conditioning equipment. Doing a tip, ring swap to the front bottom connector of the bay. He needs to orient those ckt boards non normalized (they are flip board to select between normanized and non). Then it's a simple process of breaking the ring trace on one side and tip and ring on the other soldering a jumper from ring to tip on the second. I know you know what I mean. You seem to follow my jibberish ok.
Hope this helps.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Mar 30, 2004 10:02 pm I think I used one of those in an earlier version of PigPen. When you break that trace are you getting essentially an open instead of non-normalled or do you still get the loop through from top to bottom in the back?
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Mar 30, 2004 10:16 pm As long as you use the normalizing connector in the back for one of the connections to the conditioning equipment the loop is broken. APC uses a "open with plug present" TRS female jack for normalizing. No plug present loop, plug present no loop. Then simply break up tip and ring and do the crossover to one front plug.
LokiCone PokerMember
Since: Apr 07, 2002
Mar 30, 2004 11:08 pm wow... I have no idea what you're talking about...
Walt you mentioned soldering... why would I have to solder anything? THe patch bay allows me to just flip the module around to go from normalized to de-normalized. Where does the soldering come in?
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Mar 30, 2004 11:16 pm Sorry Loki,
Just so hard for me to put into words. I was hoping Noise would get what I was babbling about and be able to verbalize it all better. It's a way to make one of the ckt boards in the APC work for an insert. You do have to solder a couple of wires to make the custom ckt. When you are done you can hook up a compressor, eq, fx unit, whatever into the back too connection points and use a standard TRS patch cord from the front of one of the patch bays connections directly into an insert on a board.
LokiCone PokerMember
Since: Apr 07, 2002
Jun 21, 2004 12:12 am hate to bring up a dead thread but I still need help with this.
guitwizzNothing doesnt give me gasMember
Since: May 25, 2004
Jun 21, 2004 01:09 am man, wish I could help. But then Im glad I dont know this, I would have a fried brain.....I will stick to my 2 i/o's and comp/pres.....
whew, life is easy.....
Jul 26, 2004 07:36 pm man am i glad to see someone else suffering with this thing. i got part of mine working for my monitors and headphones (no more switching cables!) but now im trying to link multiple fx processors and its still being a pain. =P
