Mixer or Pre amps for my Delta 1010
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Posted on Mar 21, 2004 12:52 am
Littletrim7
Member Since: Mar 21, 2004
Hi all, Im new to the HRC. I just have a quick question for now, im sure ill be back with many other bonehead questions in the future. I currently have a Delta 1010. I am looking at the behringer MX2442A eurodesk mixer and i think that might be the best route for the mixing console for my budget. However, the question I have is should i use that board and use the built in pre amps or should i purchase seperate pre amps and get a smaller board to do my monitor mixing on? Also, If anyone would like to share their Delta 1010 setup with me, that would be awesome. I would love to hear from anyone with some good input. do replay to this post or I can be messaged on yahoo with the sn Littletrim7
Thanks to all who help
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flame...bringing sexy backMember
Since: Jul 01, 2002
Mar 21, 2004 01:18 pm the way i did it, was to start with a preamped mixer, which has done me proud for the last couple of years or so. the behringer stuff, whilst not pro quality, is more than good enough for the majority of home studios, so i wouldnt worry about that.
im only now looking at an extra pre to improve my vocal sound, but i wouldnt say it was entirely necessary by any means...
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Mar 21, 2004 01:18 pm Well the mixer question is a good one. But it depends on how many inputs you will need at once, and more so what kind of music are you going to be recording and with what mic's? Some times you can get away with the pre's on the board for a while without spending the extra money on outboard pre's. I use my 2442a without outboard pre's most of the time, unless the vocal requires a bit better pre-amp. If it is going to be more instrument going in then I would say go without the outboard pre's for now.
One thing to think about in getting the bigger mixer is will you use it in the future or not. If a smaller mixer will sufice and not be outgrown, then deffinately go with a smaller mixer and an outboard pre, especially if your recording vocal heavy or aucustic music where you will be using condensor type mics more often and will require a bit more out of a pre-amo then the normal use.
Hope this helps a bit, let me know.
And welcome to HRC, and there are really noe bonehead questions here, lotsa peeps gotta start somewhere, and this is the best place for getting simple straight answer's.
flame...bringing sexy backMember
Since: Jul 01, 2002
Mar 21, 2004 01:19 pm oh yeah, welcome!
hey noize...get on messenger and ill send ya that song. the aim's flamemakesmusic.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Mar 21, 2004 02:17 pm Flame, funny our posts logged at exactly the same time.
I was away right after that, but am back on now if you havent gone to bed yet.
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Mar 21, 2004 09:51 pm LittleTrim,
Very good question indeed! Most here inclusive of myself have gone with the mixer option using the mixer as a bank of pre-amps with a built in monitoring system. Do actual mixing in software I do not use my mixer as a true mixer. I have seen one portable rig that used just a bank of preamps directly into a recorder. It is odd to me that the industry has not developed a recording preamp with the digital process in mind. It seems that a lot of expense put into multiple group channels, group sends and returns, group auxiliaries could be put into higher quality preamps with a simpler PFL monitoring system. Coupled with individual outputs this would be a great preamp system as adverse to a mixer.
Now as Noise noted that is greatly dependant on the recording that you do.
I know for myself I would love to have my mixer preamps replaced with better pres. However I do love the meter bridge as it is so much more accurate and visible than the VU bars on my recorder. Obviously for set up the PFL for each channel is imparitive. So I end up using parts of each unit and no one unit to it's fullest capacity. Another problem is equipment matching. Consider Direct injected channels. Fishman makes a killer DI unit for bass. I hear POD does a great job for guitar. I have a Behringer 4ch DI unit that is a good "all around" unit but does not really excell on any instrument beyond providing good impediance matching. Although I havn't done much experimentation with preamps for microphones, I would imagine that the same constraints hold true relitive to matching a preamp to a mic, at least to some degree. Now your talking money. And what is the return on investement? I appreciate the approach Noise mentions in terms of concentrating on vocals. In most genres the instruments do not benifit that much from extenisve preamp circuitry. The voice however is very complex and most often singled out in listening and probably benifits the most on average.
Good post. I hates good posts. Makes me thinks! Hurts me head.
Mar 22, 2004 09:56 am I have a Delta 1010. I can tell you how I have mine set up.
I have my DMP3 going into inputs 1&2
My Mackie's channels 1-4 direct outs into inputs 3,4,5 & 6.
The direct outs for busses 1&2 into inputs 7 & 8.
The digital outs from my Panasonic DAT into the SP/DIF (inputs 9&10). This gives me usage of all 10 inputs if needed by running the direct outs from from the mackie channels 5&6 into the DAT. I also use the DAT A/D converters for recording from a tape deck when needed.
You can, if you need to, feed the outputs from the 1010 into the Mackie's channels 8-16 and monitor that way. I haven't found the need to do that. I just run the outputs from 1&2 into my headphone amp and thru to my monitor system. I then set the delta to monitor.
Hope this helps some.
Blessings, Terry
Mar 22, 2004 07:27 pm Well thank you to all of you, this has helped answer alot of the questions I have.
Mar 24, 2004 08:38 pm I agree with terry(still4given)
I would go with the Mixer! although i believe you only have 6 aux sends with that board its only like 140 buck more for the 8 send board.
some people i know swear by outboard preamps, but then they have to EQ each channel. Some preamp racks have the eq option but they get kinda expensive.
The board in most cases serves the same purpose without all the expense. you could always get a two channel EQ-ed preamp for a good cost and use it in conjuction with the board.
needless to say, sounds like you'll have a rockin studio!!!!
P.S if i were you look into the 32 channel board with the 8 sends. if it costs you an extra hundred bucks then go for it those two inputs could come in handy when you least expect it!
Chris
