Today, January 12th, is Officially HRC's "Day of the Flame"

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formerly known as 'dB Masters'
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With Flame unveiling his "top secret project" he has rambled on about for months, I officially declare January 12th at HRC, "Day of the Flame"

:-D

Go visit his project: www.flamemusic.com/

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...bringing sexy back
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Jan 12, 2004 10:07 am

lol...cool!

check out db's bass playing - its funky like a monkey!

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Jan 12, 2004 04:06 pm

wicked!. i like the new song "Lock Open", it's a real catchy feel-good tune. :O)

bace135 in the house tonight!
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Jan 12, 2004 04:32 pm

"flame on baby"

-deltron 3030

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Jan 12, 2004 05:36 pm

The secret project!

Czar of Midi
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Jan 12, 2004 06:29 pm

Been there, done that, liked it, as stated previously. If ya havent checked it out, please do so. And let him know what ya think of the tunes.

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Jan 12, 2004 10:40 pm

this one's getting burned so I can listen in the car.

Czar of Midi
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Jan 12, 2004 11:04 pm

Flame, ya got yer own playlist on my media player now. I just gotta come up with a good name for it, something original.

Cone Poker
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Jan 13, 2004 04:26 am

Yeah we need a record label... HRC Records

formerly known as 'dB Masters'
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Jan 13, 2004 05:11 am

Actually, I have considered using dB Masters to start a label, Noize and I have discussed it from time to time if I recall correctly, but I just have interest in getting into that business...

Czar of Midi
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Jan 13, 2004 07:40 pm

Indeed we have. I would love to get back to doing music full time, be it playing a bit or just sitting back and watching others create and guiding them through it all. I love doing what I do now, but I would like it even more if I had a bigger hand in what happens after I finish a project with someone. I gotta admit, it is kind of an empty feeling when your done and mail out a disc, or send out the tracks and you have to think about the fact, you may never know what happens to them.

Cone Poker
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Jan 14, 2004 01:50 am

I'll all up for helping us get a record company going... I'd help out in any way needed that i possibly could

bace135 in the house tonight!
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Jan 14, 2004 02:27 am

I'm actually in the process of starting up a record label as is. I'd be down to help with providing input/advice, and maybe setting up some sort of affiliate program for distribution.

I'm definitely interested in doing an HRC compilation once we get things set up a bit more.

Cone Poker
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Jan 14, 2004 03:21 am

yeah the compolation has been talked about for a while now, I think flames release was the closest thing to a comp we've seen so far though.

SM7b the Chuck Noris of Mic's
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Jan 14, 2004 07:06 am

I agree with loki on that. The idea of a compilation rocks and everyone seems all for it but one of the hard realities is we have personal lifes and issues that come in the way (at the most unoppertune times) . The up side is that when we do work on something it ends up being realy cool.

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Jan 14, 2004 07:07 am

I true compolation would be tough to pull off with any success just because of the extreme differences in musical styles that the most active members have...

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Jan 14, 2004 07:11 am

very true , but I've felt when dealing with other members , everyones been very open and flexable . I personally like to work on other peoples tunes for the simple fact they may not be my style of music .

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Jan 14, 2004 07:12 am

agreed, just saying it'd be tough to gain interest from anyone outside of the HRC contributors because of the style-to-style format of the album

Cone Poker
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Jan 14, 2004 07:48 am

well I think we've enough people now that we could pull it off, like having a comp of punk rock, a comp of dance, a comp of r&B, a comp of rap, a comp of gospel... stuff like that. Different comps for individual musical genres

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Jan 14, 2004 10:28 am

i think the mastering engineer should look at the idea of combining several diff genres on one disc as a challenge, not an obstacle. i'm often asked to do mixed discs of popular music for friends, and they don't understand what takes so long, you just rip and burn right? but what i'm actually doing is carefully choosing the order each song will go in to flow the best from one style to another, and sometimes even fixing differences in overall percieved level from track to track. i realize i'm doing more than just making a CD for a friend, i'm honing my skills as a mastering artist

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Jan 14, 2004 10:35 am

You are, in that situation, making a CD for a friend that knowingly enjoys all the music on the disc, which is a totally different thing. What I am talking about is Joe Six-Pack coming to the site, seeing a collab CD having listened to, say coolo's tunes, and liked them so he got the CD. Then in hearing my tunes thinks "WTF is THAT" because it's two totally different styles of music.

Making a comp disc for a person or group of people who hand-pick the songs is an entirely different matter from marketing a CD made up of a collection of musical styles for unknown entities.

While I appreciate and often go for the challenge myself, for me it depends if it's a worthwhile challenge that will pay off. For me personally, I run a business, not a school...and that is my bottom line.

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Jan 14, 2004 10:41 am

heck, if i cared what Joe Six-Pack thought about my art, I'd be making Britney-esque garbage. But yeah, if you're looking to make $ of it, hold out until there's enoungh material to go around.

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Jan 14, 2004 10:56 am

Well, my point is it's not about a specific style, britney pop, metal, rock, country or anything like that. It's about giving the customer what they are expecting/wanting/looking for...which is generally a consistent style/sound, regardless of what that style/sound actually is.

I DO make money producing music CD's and I have yet to produce one single pop-style mass-marketable drivle cd.

sloppy dice, drinks twice
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Jan 14, 2004 01:08 pm

I think that if the idea of a mixed-style cd were marketed the right way, that it could generate interest. Just off the top of my head, I would say that there is a perennial fascination with the concept of the "underground" music scene (especially by musicians, it seems, who make up the majority of the community on this site, where the cd would be marketed anyway), which basically includes home recording artists in a number of different styles (though perhaps not anything perceived as "pop-style" music, Britn'sync and the like). Call it "The Invisible Underground" or "Fires in the Underground" or "Best of the Underground - Diamonds in the Rough" (I dunno, I'm just typing the first names that spring to mind here) or something evocative of bands/music with an underground following but no corporate acknowledgement.
That sets the stage for a multi-style collection of songs. You could even continue the theme by "grouping" sections of a cd (or even a double cd, I don't know) into Fire and Ice or Hot Licks and Cool Jams or something like that, which would contain appropriate music - fast, heavy, fiery songs in one part, cool, smooth, groovy jams or softer music in another.

But anyway, this is just a concept, if there's no interest so be it. :)

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Jan 14, 2004 01:12 pm

Ya, valid points all around. My comments were more directed at coolo who indicated that the label he is starting would be interested in getting involved, so I was thinking for more generally than just people at HRC. I am looking at it from a business angle...which isn't what this project would really be I don't think...

And don't let my comments dictate that I am not interested in doing one, quite the opposite. I think it would be really cool to get a double CD of music from members here and make some copies and such...I'd love to have one for myself, but I don't see it gaining much interest beyond the people involved...but I could be wrong...it's happened once before :-D

Cone Poker
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Jan 14, 2004 01:58 pm

...Maybe if we realsed a HRC CD music tech would have it as their CD of the month or something like that....

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Jan 14, 2004 02:12 pm

interesting thought.

I still would like to asemble that sample/loops CD that PowerFX said they would produce and market...jamie was heading that up tho, and he sorta fell off the planet for a while...glad he fell back :)

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Jan 14, 2004 02:28 pm

Yeah, first off, I just think we should note the difference between a compilation and a collaboration.

Anyhow, I think we could generate sufficient interest to warrant printing out 1000 copies of an HRC compilation professionally. I'd be willing to take the financial risk if we could put together like 16-20 tracks or so. I'm sure I could sell a fair amount out here in SF.

I think the idea of an HRC label would be interesting if people were willing to get involved, as there are people here from around the country, and world. If each person handled distribution locally, we could really get the word out on a broad level.

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Jan 14, 2004 02:38 pm

Yeah, good point coolo, I didn't think of non-net distribution...very good point indeed.

Whether profitable or not, I would surely put forth any of my few and scattered talents to help it along, if coolo can get them replicated and jackets printed and stuff, I will do whatever I can to help produce it and put any of my songs up for inclusion should anyone feel they are worthy...

Maybe this deserves a new thread consisting of what songs we should include? Or discussion on the criteria of choosing? Should they be any song from any member, or only songs that have more than one HRC member involved...so it could be a compilation of collaborations :-)

hey, maybe thats the title..."Compliation of Collaborations" LOL

sloppy dice, drinks twice
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Jan 14, 2004 02:49 pm

Wouldn't that only really matter to the contributors, not the public? Why not include both kinds. Is there a need to call attention to the two different types of submission? I don't think it would make a diff to the buyers. :)

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Jan 14, 2004 02:52 pm

No, it wouldn't matter to them at all, it's just presents different gimmicks or schemes to market it, or things like that...that's all...just thinkin out loud, man...

sloppy dice, drinks twice
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Jan 14, 2004 03:01 pm

Yeah, me too... I realize you guys, as regular collaborators, have more ownership over this whole thing, I just was adding my two cents :)

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Jan 14, 2004 03:05 pm

I think if we did an HRC compilation, it should have some sort of, at least majority rules, if not concencus, from the HRC community as far as criteria goes. But with that said, the more ideas the better, so please, let's think out loud a bit more.

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Jan 14, 2004 03:07 pm

Agreed, however, not to split hairs, but if it contains the HRC branding, I definately want to have some say in it ;-) Not saying I expect, or even WANT totalitarian control, cuz I don't, but I want to see the jacket and such before press to see how it looks, the logo is used and such stuff...

Czar of Midi
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Jan 14, 2004 08:27 pm

OK, now im gettin off here, but. What happens when we put differant musicians, with differant styles, into one big room. (We'll call HRC that room for now) And each of us if we feel so inclined put a little bit into a track.

For instance, coolo starts a drum loop, I may add a kye part and vary the loop. Next up is Jamie with a bit of sampled stuff added. Now someone else has another bit of keys to add through a bridge or tempo change. Next dB lays a solid bass track. Someone else adds a guitar, or maybe not. You see were I am going here?

I know I for one love to see a disc that has something for everyone, and I usually listen to the whole thing. As long as it is marketed as just that something for everyone I think honesty will get customers to buy it. Those who want to try something differant. And it would be something very differant if we all put a little something into it.

I have collaborated with musicians of many styles including dare I say, country music. And what ended up happening was very cool indeed.

Now I realize we all may have tunes strictly done as a one man, or band effort to include as well, but I think we could with all the differant influances here come up with something that would sell, maybe not a huge market share, but as TCB stated as well as coolo hinting to it. There are many people out there who are interested in the underground or differant styles out there. And I think as I said with the huge variety of influances we have just in the little group chatting this up now, it would make one hell of a CD.

All that said, back when I got serious about recording again, I worked with several peeps who were very into the dance stuff and I had never really truly been into it. But the heavier ambiant style I was into at the time ift right in, even though none of us really thought it would to start with, but we tried it and it worked well. We were the number one download on mp3.com for 3 weeks straight which I thought would never happen becuase it was a 7 minute piece with no vocals and about 15 changes throughout the piece.

So I am all for it however it gets going.

As for title of disc Im kinda with dB on that, maybe Compilation or Collaboration? leaving them wondering just a bit.

Anyway, I am game as well.

Cone Poker
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Jan 15, 2004 10:18 am

I'm game for whatever you guys decide... I could even get the Disk on air at the local college radio station down here since a friend of mine is a DJ there. But that's far and away right now, first step is deciding what we're doing and choosing what songs will be on it, just save a track for me guys. I wanna be on that disk

sloppy dice, drinks twice
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Jan 15, 2004 10:46 am

You know, I was just scanning over this forum and had an out-of-left-field type of idea... Why not name the cd something really weird, attention-grabbing and unusual? Something that would really stick in people's minds. "Smack My *** Repeatedly, Jim-Bob", "Eclectic Anthology of the CHUDS" (Cavelike Subhuman Underground Dwellers), "Mass-Produced Attention-Getting Device", "BUY THIS CD, IT DOESN'T SUCK"... ok, well you get the point. I mean - this cd will be created by largely unknown artists competing with everyone else, why not do something really unusual to distinguish it from other releases?

If you don't like that idea, at least I probably made ya laugh... :)

bace135 in the house tonight!
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Jan 15, 2004 04:00 pm

Yes, you definitely made me laugh with the SMARJ-B. In fact I think that would actually make a good name for an instrumental track.

Uh, Noize, I really like your idea. However, from experience, I think getting a CD full of tracks like what you are speaking of would take a miracle. It seems to me that these collaborations either take forever to complete or kind of fall off after a while for the most part. That being said, I think with such diverse tastes and influences that abound here, plus the overall knowledge here, we could make some really cool music. It's just a matter of actully doing it.

Czar of Midi
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Jan 15, 2004 10:03 pm

Ya, it was just a thought. Im thinking we might get maybe a couple of tracks like that done, but then again maybe more maybe less. It is worth a try though. Even if just a couple peeps colab on something it will still be unique. And I like TCB's idea, differant and grabbing. I have to admit, I sometimes buy a CD just because of a title like that.

sloppy dice, drinks twice
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Jan 16, 2004 07:18 am

Yeah, the weird and unusual title idea, I know some probably think I mentioned that just because I listen to weird and unusual music myself (can't say I blame ya), but actually, it's a mnemonic tool I picked up in a music merchandising class in college. One of the best ways to get your foot in the door or product in hand is to make it memorable - who didn't think of "Smack My *** Repeatedly, Jim-Bob" later and grin? heh heh heh insidious little memes will stick with you...

...bringing sexy back
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Jan 16, 2004 12:42 pm

Thanks for all your support so far guys, youve been great. theres been 135 downloads all-in, which equates to 27 downloads of the entire album. thats with out anyone except you guys knowing its there. thanks a lot guys, its nice to know so many of you are listening...

just had a cool email about doing some soundtrack work, as a result of whats on the site, so that rocks too!

thanks again guys!

sloppy dice, drinks twice
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Jan 16, 2004 12:53 pm

Hey man, good for you! Very glad to hear of your success - I know it must be very gratifying considering how long you've been working on those songs. :) Keep at it, flame, you've got a great sound.

...bringing sexy back
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Jan 16, 2004 12:58 pm

thanks a lot man! gotta go kiss some promoter butt tonight, get some gigs together. cant wait! ill be recording all the live stuff, so thatll be cool too...

Czar of Midi
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Jan 17, 2004 09:20 pm

I for one cant wait to hear some of it.

...bringing sexy back
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Jan 18, 2004 07:19 am

it was a big let-down the gig...id bought tickets before hand, turned up just before the time on the ticket, and the venue was so packed they wouldnt let me in...no refunds, no gig. it wouldnt have been so full if they hadnt started selling extra tickets on the door to people who hadnt bought em before hand...

disgraceful...

Czar of Midi
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Jan 18, 2004 02:32 pm

Bummer for that.

And nice new Avatar there Flame, very becoming.

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Jan 18, 2004 02:58 pm

you bought a ticket and they wouldn't let you in??

you payed for services not rendered, you deserve a refund. i don't care what the law is in your town, that's just wrong.

...bringing sexy back
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Jan 21, 2004 11:20 am

oh yeah, it sucked...i love my new avater, ive got some graphics software, and i used to do that shuff for a job, so its nice to have a lpay again...

sloppy dice, drinks twice
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Jan 21, 2004 12:10 pm

Yeah, flame, that's a raw deal.

...bringing sexy back
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Jan 21, 2004 12:16 pm

ill sack the organiser once i rule the world...

Czar of Midi
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Jan 21, 2004 07:51 pm

I luv that word Sack, it leaves a bit of suspense as to exactly what it means.

...bringing sexy back
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Jan 22, 2004 06:17 am

sack = to fire someone here, remove them from employemnt kinds thing...

Czar of Midi
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Jan 22, 2004 09:47 pm

sack is what happens to the quarterback of the vikings now and again. but that defanition means he got crushed by several 300 pound linebackers.

formerly known as 'dB Masters'
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Jan 23, 2004 04:15 am

on the flip side, the Vikings quarterback could double as a linebacker cuz he is about 270...unlike some of the other whimpy QB's in the league :)

...bringing sexy back
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Jan 23, 2004 01:45 pm

and for anyone this side of the big sea thing, MAN CITY RULE!

Czar of Midi
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Jan 23, 2004 05:14 pm

What the???

Flame what does that mean now?

...bringing sexy back
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Jan 23, 2004 05:19 pm

www.mcfc.co.uk/

they're my team...they were the first team i ever saw play as a kid

theyre pretty rubbish now, but im keeping the faith...

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Jan 26, 2004 12:22 pm

hey flame.. checked out the music. badass stuff. very laid back and extremely well put together. now if only i can figure out how to master my stuff at that quality.. care to share the secrets?

...bringing sexy back
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Jan 26, 2004 12:27 pm

ermmmm, yeah, i guess.

what part of the sound did ya dig? the guitars, the bass, what?

the guitar is an electro acoustic Aria, plugged straight into the mixer, and a shure mic pointing at the soundhole. the bulk of the sound comes from the mic, but the direct line in gives a little added clarity to the sound.

the bass sounds were db's department, except on paris, where i overdubbed some single bass synth notes over what was already there so faten the sound a little.

pretty much everything else ya hear was processed in fruityloops - the drums, piano parts in all gone etc etc etc are all samples, mainly by jamie.

if ya got any specific questions, lemme know!


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Jan 26, 2004 12:57 pm

i think the overall polished sound of the final tracks. the vox sit nicely in them and all the tracks sound consistent in levels and mix.

...bringing sexy back
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Jan 27, 2004 06:18 am

that was luck more than judgement...


Czar of Midi
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Jan 27, 2004 08:04 pm

Well then flame, if you think it is luck you are consistantly lucky. And if that is the case, then you are gifted as well, because most peeps work for years and never achieve the consistant sound you have gotten so far.

...bringing sexy back
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Jan 29, 2004 12:52 pm

thats cos my gear's conistantly bad!

seriously though, thanks for the kind comments guys!

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