Michael Jackson Goes to Jail (yeah, you know why)
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Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Nov 21, 2003 05:18 pm Its about time if I may say so myself. To bad they couldnt keep him in there. I wonder how he would like that, if ya know what I mean. I wonder how he managed to post a 3 million dollar bail when they have been talking about how broke he really is. Or does some record exec. really think he has another money maker in him. I heard a great joke today but I think it is a bit off color being as we are a family site. Bo naughty words or anything just an insinuation.
flame...bringing sexy backMember
Since: Jul 01, 2002
Nov 21, 2003 05:39 pm im surprised it didnt happen sooner...
Nov 21, 2003 07:08 pm It happened 10 years ago, the charges just didn't stick...but his career went really downhill afterward, so thats good.
Nov 21, 2003 08:24 pm yeah... if i saw Michael Jackson id run up to him and give him a hug. You personally have no clue if he really did that.. or not.... so while you all sit and wonder what he was doing to little boys (yeah, you are all are sick), im sitting around wondering.....HOW MANY OF YOU CHANGED MUSIC? yeah. thats what i thought. leave him alone. hes not bothering you. and i dont want to hear "yeah, hes not bothering us, just little boys," thats what everyone keeps saying.. but yet again.. let me see the proof. and if he did really do it.. its because he is metally challenged. i mean, hes like a kid traped in an adults body. people go crazy. and if the judge wont take a insanity plea just listen to his new single "give me one more chance". that there.. is proof in vibratory form that hes got more than mexican jumpin beans in his brain... and not much more. but i still love the guy.
Nov 21, 2003 11:23 pm The way I see it, there's a good chance he did it and a good chance he didn't do it.
Nov 22, 2003 06:00 am Personally, I think it's stupid that I am gonna have to sit and listen to the "breaking news" about this stupid case again, like last time, and like what happens to any celebrity...like I care.
I DO care if he was hurting little kids, if so, castrate 'em. But then, none of us actually know him or anyone involved (as far as a know anyway), though, if he is found guilty (which he won't be cuz he's rich and can hire huge defense teams) I won't be totally shocked...saddened for the kids, angry at the kids parents and angry and MJ...but whatever.
My first question is what are the parents thinking. If Michael Jackson want my kids to stay at his house or party at his ranch I would NEVER let them go because he is just too frickin stange of a person...brilliant artist? sure back in the day, but whether or not he is popular, a great artists or rich will make no judgements on whether he is capable of being with my children. Have you seen footage of him with "his kids" OMG he is scared to death of handling a child...
MinkusMazBane of All ExistenceMember
Since: Mar 27, 2003
Nov 22, 2003 02:24 pm "oh i think we can trust the king of pop!"
"oh this is the LAST STRAW! they should have gotten him last time! we can't trust him anymore!"
come on...he has been loony tunes for a long time. and regardless of whether or not he's crazy, if he did this (it isn't too far of a stretch of the imagination), he will go to jail for a long time, where his face will fall off. we don't need to trust celebrities or put faith in them.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Nov 22, 2003 11:34 pm I will appologize in advance to any MJ fans for what I am about to say. I have at least that much pity. If ya dont wanna hear the truth then dont read this.
So hes not bothering me.
I beg to differ, he is bothering me, and to tell ya the truth, if he knocked on my door tommorrow Id probly bust him in two. I dont buy any of the crap that he didnt do it. I didnt then, and I dont now. As dB pointed out, money is power and it will buy you anything. Even freedom from persecution. Well anyone with half a brain, or even less can look at the idiot and tell hes not all there.
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let me see the proof. and if he did really do it.. its because he is metally challenged. i mean, hes like a kid traped in an adults body. Then the man belongs in a hospital, FOREVER. That is what I think. Better yet. Put him in prison and let the guy's with kids have him and do to him what hes done to others. I pray he will get what s coming to him. But in this country his money, or should I say the money of the record company who hope to cash in on this crap will probably get him off. It got him out didnt it?
AS far as Im concered it is just more publicty crap to have to sit through so I can hear the weather or sports scores. People like him should just fall off the face of the planet and crawl back in the hole they came out of. He will probably blame his childhood for what hes done to those kids, and only god and MJ know how many there have been. And Im guessing the number of kids hes abussed would sicken everyone.
So I will say this in closing, you defend that pervert and it sickens me. Someday it could be your child, will you still defend him then?
Peace
Oh, and by the way. Change music, I dont think so. Created new music, yes indeed. Very few have changed music, and MJ really only created music from the past, and made it fresh. Many have done it before him and many will do it again. As far as saying none of us has, you better think about that. You know nothing about any of us except what you can read. And there are plenty of us who have contributed more to the musical world then you give us credit for. So think before you speak next time.
TheTincanbugsloppy dice, drinks twiceMember
Since: Aug 05, 2003
Nov 23, 2003 05:48 am Sorry, MJ fans. It's hard for me to get too worked up over the "king of pop" feeling the long arm of the law... Granted, whole "Thriller" thing was something pretty new, and the video was a new concept (did he write the video?), but I don't see him being terribly innovative in his other music. It's just pop. Innovations in pop are like adding a new flavor of bubblegum in a candy store or tacking on another wing to an already tooth-rotting gingerbread house. I've heard music so amazing and incredible that it was like the musicians were opening the door to another world and shoving you inside... But I'm sorry, I can't get excited enough to "Beat It", I don't care about the "Billie Jean" thing, and "Bad" was just laughable when compared to the "badness" of today's hip-hop culture and whatnot. Granted, the man has, or had, more money than I'm ever likely to have, and sold more records than I could even count before I die. But success doesn't make you a genius - just popular and rich. I liked his Jackson 5 stuff best, personally, next to "Thriller".
But all that's beside the point. If he was molesting kids, he needs either punishment or help and punishment. His "royal" status shouldn't affect our judgement in this matter, and there have been so many allegations and rumors that at one point you have to shrug and admit that when there's smoke, there's probably fire. Let's get the man on the stand and hear his side of it. Then let's hear from the kids.
Nov 23, 2003 06:31 am Quote:
If he was molesting kids, he needs either punishment or help and punishment.
Agreed, but the sad thing is child molesters are pretty widely accepted as virtually un treatable, they do what they do and that is that...not much "help" is able to help...fortunately, in the basic prison social hierarchy they are also considered bottom of the barrel, and often get treated as such, but then, MJ would never go to a REAL prison.
flame...bringing sexy backMember
Since: Jul 01, 2002
Nov 23, 2003 07:08 am being famous or a popstar is no excuse
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Nov 23, 2003 05:37 pm Thank you all for backing up what I said. And flame the comment is so true.
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being famous or a popstar is no excuse
But the world we live in doesnt really see it that way I guess. If it did, the so called king of pop would have been imprissoned 10 years ago.
Nov 24, 2003 02:50 am the kid's parents are probably gold diggers. i find it easier believe that someone would try to exploit jackson than that he would have done this, or have kept doing this, given who he is and his level of fame and scrutiny, etc.
Nov 24, 2003 06:22 am the man is not right on the head.
for whatever eason he is incapable of acting like an adult. maybe cos he's never had to etc but he still aint right.
he needs those kids, and whether or not it's the adoration that a kid'll give ya, sexual deviance or whatever, it's something an adult should be able to do without.
and as for the shrine, it's a bit too bizarre.
TheTincanbugsloppy dice, drinks twiceMember
Since: Aug 05, 2003
Nov 24, 2003 10:11 am "Agreed, but the sad thing is child molesters are pretty widely accepted as virtually un treatable, they do what they do and that is that...not much "help" is able to help..."
Oh, I agree... but I'd say that the man is very likely to have mental problems due to a rough childhood and... well, how can I say this? He's had the means and the mitovation to indulge in every possible whim and fantasy for quite some time now, and very likely he can't cope with the "real" world. I think he's more than a little nuts, aside from any child molestation allegations. He's kind of like a zoo animal that's lived in a special habitat for so long that it can't be reintroduced back to its natural environment.
Nov 24, 2003 12:15 pm but these are all just judgments based on his weird public image. being 'not right in the head' doesn't automatically mean you're a child molester. there's never been any proof in any of the cases.
personally i'm going to not judge until i see some evidence. i saw a videotape of jackson defending himself once, denying the 1993 allegations. he struck me as being quite passionate, sincere, and reasonable about it. usually when someone is guilty of something, fear manifests in thier demeanor, in one of several ways. this guy just looked as if he'd been wronged.
TheTincanbugsloppy dice, drinks twiceMember
Since: Aug 05, 2003
Nov 24, 2003 12:37 pm "being 'not right in the head' doesn't automatically mean you're a child molester. there's never been any proof in any of the cases."
Yes, I agree with both statements. I don't think that his alleged pedophilic crimes have anything to do with his mental stability, unless you consider pedophilia to be a symptom of an unstable personality.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Nov 24, 2003 05:28 pm Well not to push thing here. But MONEY has a tendancy to make any proof there may have been dissapear. He did settle the case out of court for and undisclosed amount of money, didnt he. I tend to believe that is becuase he wished to keep it hidden, or secret.
There will undoubtedly be more who crawwl out of the woodwork now, some maybe legit and some maybe not.
Nov 24, 2003 05:39 pm i dont think that proves anything. he can throw money around like trash. the trial would have been a circus and maybe he felt he just didnt need to bother with it when he could buy his way out and possibly save his public image...even while being actually innocent.
i might have done this in his situation.
i wouldnt judge until i see evidence. some evidence i would accept that i can think of right now would include: the boy can describe jackson's body accurately in a way no one else could know without checking, or the cops find child porn on jackson's hard drive.
Nov 24, 2003 06:05 pm Well, we are innocent until proven guilty here in the good ol' US...he'll have his day (several prolly) to prove his case, it's not MJ that has any proving to do, it's the plantiff.
We'll see...well, I won't cuz I am not going to give it any of my time...cuz I am sick and tired of the media making a big deal out of every celeb court proceeding. I wish journalists would get a real job and actually HELP society instead of sensationalizing and contributing to it's demise...
Nov 24, 2003 06:44 pm Okay-- Here's a quote from my brother on the subject. I think it's great:
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Okay, I have to say it: Michael Jackson is beyond bizarre. He clearly has loose screws. Even if he is guilty of the molestation charges, I can't help but feel sympathy for him because he is obviously insane. If you saw that interview with the British reporter you know what I'm talking about. When the reporter asked him about his plastic surgery, he said, "I don't do anything to my face! I've only had two surgeries. They were on my nose, to help me hit higher notes." Now, that's more than a little ridiculous...EVERYONE knows he has had multiple plastic surgeries. It's not even open for debate. If he can openly lie about something like that, and expect that the public will actually believe him, clearly he's not in touch with reality.
That's basically how I feel about it.
Nov 24, 2003 07:08 pm that doesnt mean he's not in touch with reality, or that he's insane.
Nov 24, 2003 08:04 pm depending on what's in those letters, i might agree with you.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Nov 24, 2003 10:52 pm Take a look at his mug shot, he looks like one of Frankestiens creations. That my friends is not a normal human being. At least not one with a normal brain. Sorry to be so frank, but come on he has been way out there for quite a while now.
Nov 25, 2003 12:29 am yeah but his physical appearance doesnt mean he's a molester. we'll have to see these alleged letters.
Nov 25, 2003 04:47 am ya, we get it forty, and agree, nothing makes him a molester except molesting. Ok, Ok...
Bottom line is you can't be as frickin weird and detached from reality as he is (and yes, he is detached from any footage of him I have ever seen) and not be prejudged as a freak, I am not saying it's right, but that is human nature. As given the direction of his odd behavior, child molestation isn't really that hard to believe.
I'm not saying I think he did it or didn't do it, cuz I don't know, but either way I won't be too surprised.
TheTincanbugsloppy dice, drinks twiceMember
Since: Aug 05, 2003
Nov 25, 2003 09:28 am One has to wonder what's preventing him from getting cosmetic surgery to make himself unrecognizable below the neck. If they push his trial date back far enough, he could radically change his appearance and be healed up by the time that the kids testify.
I'm just musing, not accusing... Obviously we can't morally damn the man for something it's possible that he might do.
MinkusMazBane of All ExistenceMember
Since: Mar 27, 2003
Nov 25, 2003 09:48 am it's still comical how there are vigils held worldwide and how people like liz taylor are coming out in support. after all, they know that they can TRUST the king of pop!
[quote]"I don't do anything to my face! I've only had two surgeries. They were on my nose, to help me hit higher notes."
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Nov 25, 2003 09:50 am That is funny since it's so plain to see that he has had such extensive work...I also saw an interview once with a doctor ("well respected doctor to the stars" sort of guy, supposedly) that says there is not a respectable doctor on the palent that will EVER work on MJ's nose again because there is nothing left there to operate on...not saying it's true, but it cracked me up when I heard it a while back.
TheTincanbugsloppy dice, drinks twiceMember
Since: Aug 05, 2003
Nov 25, 2003 10:05 am it's probably a prosthetic implant by now... only the nose knows for sure
Nov 25, 2003 01:18 pm sorry; i just got into some weird loop there.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Nov 25, 2003 07:46 pm As did I forty. I guess we may never know, cause as we all know the trial will probly get pushed out as was said earlier. And then the world will forget. Anyway, this will obviously be his last hurrah, because I am guessing he has lost many fans and just plain record sales. As well as the faith of hi srecord company.
Nov 25, 2003 11:37 pm michael jackson is responsible for the war in iraq.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Nov 26, 2003 10:00 pm Now that would be news. Michael Jackson, plastic surgeon reveals MJs true identity.......Sadam Husean or however ya spell it.
Nov 27, 2003 02:05 pm i like what letterman said, regarding the hefty bail set on jackson because he was a "flight risk."
sure. he could leave the country and blend in anywhere.
glynbMember
Since: Dec 16, 2002
Nov 28, 2003 03:56 am Noiz2u's (and others) logic...
Jackson is rich, he's mad, he's had plastic surgery and looks freaky, his money will save him from persecution, and he should be locked in a hospital forever, after being beaten up of course, oh and we'll probablly never know if he 'did it' or not, but its obvious he probably did!
Jeez, I hope I'm never on trial for something and have people like that in my jury!
Where have you people formed all these opinions on Jackson from? The media! And we all know the media never lie about anything, never have an angle and always tell the facts, right? Who are investigating him? The police, who never have an angle and always get the facts right!
Just because someone is mad doesn't necessarily make them guilty of child abuse. Truth is, none of us know for sure, yet. Let's not be so quick to judge others based on gossip and rumour - we wouldn't like it happening to us if we were innocent.
Nov 28, 2003 04:25 am In a perfect world glnyb , I agree with you, but it's also a fact that 99% of the time where there is smoke there is fire. Michael is a target cuz he is wealthy and weird, so it could very well all be a hoax, but I surely would not be surprised either way...
Nov 28, 2003 07:52 am Well, you're right about the media in that, for all I know, Michael Jackson might not even exist. I mean, I've never actually seen him.
But seriously, I don't think anybody is telling anyone that he did it and to just throw out the trial or something. They're just saying that there is a good chance he is guilty because he's crazy, and you don't need the media to tell you that! Just listen to what he says and look at what he's done to himself.
I don't think that if one of us were on the jury we would jump to conclusions the same way some of us have in this thread. It's a bit of a different situation. I certainly don't want to see him get an unfair trial.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Nov 28, 2003 05:35 pm I agree, fair would be fair. But again, how can it be fair when as I stated before. In this world, money can buy you anything even freedom, or bury anything including the past you may be guilty of.
TheTincanbugsloppy dice, drinks twiceMember
Since: Aug 05, 2003
Dec 01, 2003 08:54 am glynb: "Where have you people formed all these opinions on Jackson from? The media!"
I don't have the time or resources to wait outside Jacko's house waiting for an interview. I've never met the man, and even if somehow against staggering odds I actually do meet the man, my politeness would keep me from prying about his legal troubles. I do not have a network of reporters at my disposal. I have no way of obtaining firsthand information about him, or about much of anything else for that matter. Does this mean that I shouldn't read the news or form opinions? Obviously I don't judge the man based on his appearance, and I take what I read with a grain of salt. I don't fully trust any news source, but the news is the only source of this information that I have.
What is the alternative? I can understand that you're implying that we shouldn't believe everything we hear, but we must rely on the media news for at least some of what we know.
I would add that I do not hold the opinion (nor have I seen it stated by anyone on this board) that he should be locked away and beaten without knowing if he's guilty or not. I just want the man to have his day in court and address the specific concerns stated. I don't care how he looks, although I may comment about it occasionally. The way he looks doesn't factor into this situation, it's what he did or didn't do that's the question. Does he look freaky? There's no question. But it doesn't mean he's a pedophile.
Dec 01, 2003 03:38 pm What reason would the media have to make Michael Jackson look bad, anyway? It seems to me they're just reporting facts, and if they are speaking opinions, it isn't as if it's so hard to tell.
Dec 01, 2003 03:42 pm Because it's in the medias best interest to make everyone and everything look bad to keep you scared, curious or enthralled so you keep watching.
Ever notice the news is all war, murder, rape, child abuse, abductions, drugs, thievery and the like...you rarely hear GOOD news even tho it happens every day, and when they DO cover GOOD news they make it sound like it's an unbelievable act of heroism, even though it should be what ANY human being would do in a similar situation...I know I have and I am guessing I am not alone.
The media sucks.
Listen to Don Henley's (or is it Don Felder) "Dirty Laundry" tune, he hit it so picutre perfect on the head in that song it make me wanna cry. Frickin yellow journalists...
Dec 01, 2003 03:50 pm Okay, I agree... sort of. Well, I'm not going to argue, at least :)
TheTincanbugsloppy dice, drinks twiceMember
Since: Aug 05, 2003
Dec 01, 2003 04:08 pm "What reason would the media have to make Michael Jackson look bad, anyway?"
People like to hear about the plight of others. I have no idea why celebrity news is such a big deal. But every time they get someone interested in Jacko's winky they sell more copies, more ads, because people who never read/surf/watch the news will suddenly tune in to find out more. There are a few places on the net that will tell you the last 20 or so searches conducted through major search engines. Check out those pages... notice the recurring themes. Porn searches and celebrity news queries are constantly at the top of the list.
