Sep 08, 2003 11:34 am according to this, many cdrs will eat themselves after a couple of years useage anyway...
www.cdfreaks.com/news/775...20years%2008-20
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Posted on Sep 08, 2003 11:28 am
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the RIAA is offering downloaders of copyrighted material the chance to destroy any copied cds and delete mp3s or wavs before they pursue legal action against 'several hundred' culprits...
i can see a huge numbers of people chucking their pirate cds on a big fire and wiping out illegally downloaded tracks in worldwide pangs of guilt...NOT!
www.reuters.com/newsArtic...storyID=3390770
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Sep 08, 2003 11:34 am according to this, many cdrs will eat themselves after a couple of years useage anyway...
www.cdfreaks.com/news/775...20years%2008-20
Sep 08, 2003 01:28 pm man, i've always heard that CD-Rs last up to 100 years if you take care of them and keep them in a cool dark place in their jewel cases. this idea that they can fail within 20 months is news to me. i've bought some crappy CD-Rs before... this makes me want to see their results sp i can determine what's teh best brand to buy. currently i trust Verbatim almost exclusively
Sep 08, 2003 02:31 pm I've got CD-R's that are over 3yrs old that work fine and they are just sitting around in a drawer many of them don't even case's. I don't think the RIAA knows what it's talking about. :)
Dan
Sep 08, 2003 03:20 pm oh course you realize that buy accepting this amnesty for current crimes you're putting yourself on a big list of peple to be watched in the future.
why doesn't the record industry just do what every other group (industrial or otherwise) has ever done in the past: evolve. Times change and you have to change with them. If they don't start changing thier focus they're going to collapse.
Sep 08, 2003 03:32 pm What do you think they should do?
Sep 08, 2003 04:20 pm any strong company needs to diversify. people get pay to analyze markets and make critical decisions. you pour money into departments, research, advertising, etc, that has the best likelyhood of a strong return, while at the same time downsizing, closing departments and product lines etc that are failing. people always get p.o.'ed when they hear about companies laying off employees but what they don't understand is that if that company dones' make that decision then it will fold and everyone loses their jobs (and stocks, and pensions, and on and on)
take for instance this upstart idea to "pay-per-download". That's one option we can take. It might not be the answer, but at least they're trying.
I think think is analogous to the drug war. You can't stop drugs just like you can't stop piracy. technology allows digital piracy and therefor it will always happen. so long as you can put a microphone up to a CD player speaker or point a digital camera at a movie screen, no amount of copyprotection will ever totally work. just like no matter how tough the drug laws get there will always be substance abuse. in fact, likewise to the drug war, ther's a good chance that cracking down on digital piracy will only make the crime an underground industry in itself (much like it exists in hong kong today) by making it a profitable thing to do. just like the harder the laws are on drugs, the harder it is is get them, and therefor the more $ they're worth, and therfor the more criminals want to get involved, therefor the more drugs are one the street. It's a self defeating means. the record industry is digging it's own grave. i'm not saying i have the answer, but surely it's out there. we just have to find it.
in the meantime i think i'll jsut listen to 100% free downloadable from places like HRC and NWR. because that's where the artist has control.
Sep 08, 2003 06:41 pm well here's a weird thing i never knew until a few years ago...
the surface to take care not to scratch on a cd is the label side. assuming, that is, that there's no paper label there. on cds without paper labels, the coating on the "up" side is staggeringly thin, and if you scratch it, the beam won't reflect properly. you can test this yourself with a pocketknife. the "down" side is many times thicker and coated in plastic.
the upside is fragile!
so if you want to protect your cds, put paper labels on them.
Sep 08, 2003 07:57 pm Toothpaste actaully works a charm in fixing scratched Compact Discs - just rub a small amount over the data face of the CD then rinse off with hot water. It fixes cyclic redundancy errors about 50% of the time. Try it if you don't believe me...
As for music piracy, I agree with Jamie. How can you honestly "proect" something which is, and will always be so easy to re-create. Weren't the record companies saying how cassette recorders and VCR's were gonna kill their trades about 20 years ago? This whole "Subpeana" (wheatever) thing that the RIA are currently doing know is completly out of order. Attacking individuals, what are they? School bullys or something?!
jues.
Sep 08, 2003 08:04 pm Yeah, i read a post somewhere, I think on here, that said they were going to start cracking down on car owners for letting other people illegally listen to music in their cars. Stupid people man...
Sep 08, 2003 09:59 pm yeah i've often said what jues is saying about piracy. digital files will eternally be hacked and copied and it's futile to try to limit that. but at the same time, i have no answer for critics of that position. when they say 'but what are the companies going to do? it is, after all, thier property and they must protect themselves,' i have no ideas.
Sep 08, 2003 11:13 pm Quote:
Forty: the surface to take care not to scratch on a cd is the label side. assuming, that is, that there's no paper label there
very true. especially with CD-Rs since the silkscreen is ever thinner than on a regular CD. TO me that's one of the test of how tough a CDr is. I like to take one off the spindle and pick and scratch at the top with my fingernail and them try and flake it up with an ink pen of something similar. I've seen Memorex, Durabrand and K Hyper Media cd-Rs just peel right up from normal wear and tear. I will never buy those brands again.
Loki: i've never heard that one. The day my city cops approach cars at stoplightsd and ask "sir/ma'am, is that [insert crappy artist] CD you're listening to authetic?" is the day i become a Canadian
Sep 08, 2003 11:34 pm how about we get REALLY extreme and revolutionary by advocating the nationalization of the entertainment industry?
the real mistake was allowing bribery of elected officials to occur. i mean LOBBYING. using that as a tool to affect legislation that affects how their businesses operate is how associations like the RIAA have such long knives, and yet the artists that are more often than not exploited have no legitimate representative organization that seeks to equalize the power of the behemoth "business" end of the biz.
whew!
Sep 08, 2003 11:44 pm isn't there some kinda artist union group? some third party that could step in and regulate things? oh wait... that would mean even less money in the pockets of the big 5!
DC peoples see here www.roargroup.org/
Sep 09, 2003 07:37 am " just like no matter how tough the drug laws get there will always be substance abuse...the harder the laws are on drugs, the harder it is is get them, and therefor the more $ they're worth, and therfor the more criminals want to get involved, therefor the more drugs are one the street."
So, logically, we should legalise drugs and tax them to pay for addicition centres for treatment of adicts. That would 1.ensure the drugs are clean and safer for kids to use (they WILL use them), 2.affordable so adicts could hold down regular jobs and pay a sensible price for a fix (like nicotine adicts do) rather than steeling from houses thus cutting crime, and 3. get the gangsters out of the business all together as it wouldn't be worth their while. Another effect would be to make them less glamourous, as kids tend to think that what is forbidden is 'cool'. Those are my beliefs anyway.
As to music piracy, one thing would be to bring the cost of a high street CD down to a sensible price and people will buy them more. I for one won't pay £15 for a new album, it's just not worth that much to me no matter WHO the artist is.
I have a problem with the assumption that anyone who has a pirate CD represents a lost sale. This assumes that if they liked the CD so much to have a pirate copy that they would have gone out and bought it if that was the only alternative. Not necessarily the case. Some people get hold of a pirate just to see what the album's like, play it once or twice, decide its not very good and put it away on the shelf, that does not most likely represent a lost sale. If someone offers me a biscuit for free to eat with my coffee, does that represent a lost sale of a packet of biscuits? Not necessarily (especialy if I didn't like the biscuit!).
CDR's - A thought about the 'stick on a label' point - be careful, you may find that in time the paper label GLUE interacts with the CD coating in a bad way in years to come and destroys it? No evidence, just a feeling - glues tend to go crappy after 10 or 15 years.
Sep 09, 2003 10:15 am record industry? evolve? you're talking about the same organization that still puts shelves in stores designed for records... because CD's are an experimental technology that might not last...
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