wow. wow. triple w-o-w! izotope trash

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Member Since: Jan 18, 2003

things are looking up. my distortion problems will soon be solved.

izotope's trash is the porsche of distortion plugins! it would seem to address every problem i've ever moaned about when it comes to guitar distortion.

it's got 5 or 6 stages. prefiltering and multiband limiting/compression (with a very clear and useful .pdf guide with helpful guidelines). 48 distortion types--all multiband if you want. 85 cabinets. 36 sweeapable filter types. dynamics, delays. postfilters. an undo list. and not just for guitar!

i have the demo...the presets alone are worth the $200 price tag. POD, while still my best bet for live use, i think pales in comparison to this for studio recording. i think that this would let you play out any fantasies you might have of being a POD sound engineer.

also today i learned i'm able to use my band's former singer's studio for tweaking my projects...he's got a loaded setup where hopefully i can learn on some more complicated tools. today, too, i discovered that a limiter applied to distorted guitar provided me with the hard crunch i was looking for.

i'm in a good mood. just thought i'd share. get trash if you're upset about distortion!

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Member
Since: Jul 02, 2003


Jul 08, 2003 02:33 pm

I just downloaded the demo, I'm gonna give it a try after work tonight. $200 is alot though for something you can only use on the computer. Sounds like your pretty exicited about it though, so maybe it is worth it.

I'm looking at the j-station too, might go route.


Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


Jul 08, 2003 02:43 pm

well i would pay a lot to have my recorded distortion come out right. it's been a 5-year problem at least.

trash does look great. there's a lot to learn, though. a .pdf tutorial and more presets are available on the site. i just hope i can get it to do what i need--i hope i suddenly become skilled enough. so far i'm getting a lot of crazy sounds but i havent dialed in a crisp distortion that sits in the mix the way i need it to.

Contributor
Since: Sep 09, 2002


Jul 08, 2003 03:00 pm

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$200 is alot though for something you can only use on the computer


i dream of a device as portable as a stomp box that can load up and process VST and DX effects in real time. Imagine the power...

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


Jul 08, 2003 05:53 pm

wow. why is no one building that? it seems possible right now?

Contributor
Since: Sep 09, 2002


Jul 08, 2003 06:13 pm

i'm sure it is possible. A laptop will do it if you can get the latency down to like 10ms. Imagine taking your entire VST collection to band practice.

Cone Poker
Member
Since: Apr 07, 2002


Jul 08, 2003 06:19 pm

they're working on a rackmount unit which is like a seperate computer just for your plugins that remembers presets and things like that and is compatable with a lot of the DAWs that are used. It's called Plugzilla. It's a bit pricy, but it looks nifty.

Contributor
Since: Dec 30, 2002


Jul 08, 2003 07:19 pm

don't you hate it when Mozilla crashes and you loose a whole post...


I read a while ago about such a VST host adapter. It was a rackmounted device which had the ability to load VST's into memory and act as a seperate processor. The pro's are very obvious, especially the portability of such a device and the sheer processing power offered.

However, such a unit is not cheap, the review I read quoted the device as well over £1000.

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You could build a simialr unit for a fraction of the price, sure, it's not perfect, but it's a damn site cheaper...

But that's the world we live in I guess :)

As for Izotope Trash, OhmBoyz make a similar distortion plugin that's a whole load cheaper - might be woth a look before parting with $200, eh?
emusician.com/ar/emusic_ohm_force_ohmboyz/

And as for a studio PC at shows, well, that's pretty much what I do live. I have all the "electronics" arranged on an Akai MPC4000, which is essentially like having Cubase in a box.

I love mine to bits :D (I've even taken it to bits a few times! :) )

jues.


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Since: Apr 03, 2002


Jul 08, 2003 07:36 pm

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wow. why is no one building that? it seems possible right now?


Well, for DirectX there would be liscensing issues...I dunno if you know who owns DirectX, but I assure you it ain't the boy scouts..., as well as for VST I believe, though they wouldn't be as nasty. There would be the issue of getting these software standards to run on hardware or firmware. Then there is the problem with keeping it up to date. What happens when VST2 comes out...and heck, DirectX is updated at least yearly...it would be possible, but the support would be a nightmare with flashing the firmware for these new released standard, how to install and uninstall "apps" from it, as running a hard drive on a "stomp box" type of device is begging for disk failures....I dunno how you treat your stomp boxes while performing, but mine get kicked all over the place...

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


Jul 08, 2003 08:31 pm

ok then. maybe when laptops get more powerful and cheaper we can all just play our guitars live into a laptop...



Contributor
Since: Dec 30, 2002


Jul 08, 2003 08:50 pm

Please Note Sarcasm:
Cos that would "rock"...

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


Jul 08, 2003 09:16 pm

what do you mean, jues?

Contributor
Since: Sep 09, 2002


Jul 08, 2003 10:00 pm

dB, it wouldn't be much more than a typical computer optimized for audio. It would run an existing OS (windows if you want DX). There might be a pedal or breakout box to get the controls away from the rack. Sure stomp boxes are solid state, but a rackmountable design would isolate it from bumps and bruises like this Plugzilla thing Loki's talking about (i gotta look that one up!) and as for the software side of it, it could be something as simple as docking it to your PC like a palm pilot. And you know very well how easy it would be to secure liscencing for DirectX and VST standards. There's already dozens and dozens of host applications out there using them, and literally hunrdreds of plugins for them already. They didn't have too much troble with it. The technology is here, now we just have to wait for someone to build it.

If I find anything out about this "plugzilla" i'll post back.

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


Jul 09, 2003 01:13 am

i dont even mind strapping a junkyard laptop to my back. frayed wires, electrical tape. duct tape. what could be cooler. :)

Contributor
Since: Sep 09, 2002


Jul 09, 2003 01:21 am

that would be PHAT! we could be like rock star Ghostbusters, wires hanging everywhere, knobs and switches and junk.. band member would patch into each other forming human patchbays and mixers.

"I wanna be the distortion!! Please!? Please!?"

Contributor
Since: Dec 30, 2002


Jul 09, 2003 01:52 am

until the laptop crashes...

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


Jul 09, 2003 03:15 am

hahha i thought that's what you meant. nothing could be cooler than stopping the song and calling over the tech nerd. a lot of bands use computers live, though. what about nine inch nails?

ok jamie, you can be distortion. i sure as hek cant. :)

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


Jul 09, 2003 05:09 am

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until the laptop crashes...


Yup, that was kinda my thought as well. If you get into software rather than firmware/hardware it WILL crash on ya, just a matter of when and how often...

Contributor
Since: Sep 09, 2002


Jul 09, 2003 02:33 pm

have you guys never been to a laptop show?

I've seen at least half a dozen bands perform with laptops..

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