mixing and routing in cubase
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Posted on Oct 04, 2011 10:57 pm
sylvio
Inactive Since: Nov 16, 2008
greetings to everyone
im trying to understand the mixing in cubase
and wondering how you go about setting up busses
in cubase
i dont have a clear picture of what t buss or the order of it
im just guessing here
but so far i know that you can send different guitars to a groupbus
keys drum all to their ownbuss
if anyone can break that down for me explaining me all that i can do to have a uniform setting or atleast an idea what can be done eveytime i reach to the mixing part of a project
any input would be highly appreciated
thank you in advance
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Oct 04, 2011 11:15 pm i use cubase.
first of all, i learned everything i know about cubase from youtube and google. so just search and you shall find.
BUT! i know how to route in cubase. you just right click where the tracks are in the multitrack view and instead of adding a mono or stereo track you add a group track or an fx track. then you pull up your mixer and there should be where your signal is coming from (stereo/mono in) and where its going (stereo out is default) change it to whatever fx track you made. PRESTO!
lemme know if that didnt work for you,
sylvioInactive
Since: Nov 16, 2008
Oct 05, 2011 08:18 pm thank you for your reply quickxkid
but so far i have it
what i really want to know
the order it is done
sorry maybe my question is wron really
what i really would like to know is the order that
the buss is us
like groupchannel and fx channel
like they say there is no wrong way
but atleast i would like to know how it can be done
not to get bunch of group and fxchannel and getting confuse
hope you understand where im coming from thank you
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Oct 05, 2011 09:24 pm Hope you dont mind me butting in QKid.
group channels are more for grouping of audio tracks, eg, for group control, like vol, compression, maybe an extra group twaek of eq. etc.
fx channels are for fx to be inserted, so you dont have to insert heaps directly to each of your audio tracks.
that way you can use the send fx slider on each audio tracks, to bring in the said effect, which comes from the fx channel.
less stress on the CPU. that way.
back to the group channel, its not always the best idea to set up say compression on an fx channel and use the fx slider to bring it to your tracks, compression seems to me to work better inserted onto a group channel, the you route all your audio tracks to that, eg, instead of each of your audio tracks being "stereo out" you re- route that part to "group" then insert your compressor on the group.
back again the fx channes,choose wet only and turn the "mix" level of it right up. works better on Fx channels then brought in as i mentioned on whatever audio track you want it on...even if those tracks are routed to a group, it still works that way.
Oct 06, 2011 01:29 am From what I've seen they both work for routing signals and applying effects to groups of tracks at once. I didn't know fx tracks and group tracks had different functions. Its funny, Ive always wondered why they had two things that did the same thing :P
I know a group track is gonna look and feel more like a regular track, and that when you add an fx track it asks you right off the bat which insert you wanna use. But I usually never group tracks without throwing an insert effect on there so I always end up using an fx track. But if I was going to just group tracks I suppose I would use a group track (haha that sounded silly. Use a group track to group tracks, who knew!)
As for the original question, I don't understand what you mean by order. Or rather, what you don't understand from my original explanation. Send the output of your track to the fx/group track. Then send the output of the fx/group track to the master stereo output. OR if you wanna get fancy and route busses through other busses (like I tend to group my kick/snare/toms together and i group my overhead mics with my room mics so I have 2 busses. Then I send both of those busses to a "drums" buss, compress/verb/whatever, then I send THAT to the stereo output)
If I still didn't answer your question, then I'm sorry and I fail.
sylvioInactive
Since: Nov 16, 2008
Oct 06, 2011 01:33 am thanks dematrix for your reply
that what i was looking for
and still need a configuration on mixing using groupchannel
i have an idea but would love to know how its really done
at the moment im just toying with the idea
like grouping guitars in one group channel
keys , bass and drums all in their own groupchannel
thanks again
i wuld like to know how you get around that
or atleast how you have it all set up
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Oct 06, 2011 03:28 am @Qkid, yeah man, im not sure about that on the dif on those tracks. i dont think there is one actualy, thats a ferkin good question and have always wondered myself. Im thinking if anything one might use less CPU than the other in the right situation maybe.
@Sylv
ok... to route your audio tracks to a group, set up a group track > with your audio track 1, route this to the group track by chossing "group" as its routing option rather than "stereo out"
you'll find that by clicking the words "audio 1" in yer track window. You should see, Mono or stereo "in" (whichever you have originaly chosen, and you'll see "stereo out", click that and change it to "group".
There you go its routed to the group, do that for any audio you wanna route to that group.
you wouldnt really benefit from grouping your bass drums and keys all to the one track tho they are all different so keep em seperate.
There's a couple reasons i can think of off the bat as too why i use groups. One is mutliple same intrument vol control and the other is from a compression point of view.
I like to group my drums and guitars to seperate groups and apply their own "overall" compression once i have those instruments under contol.
eg
ive eq'd and compressed my seperate drum pieces already and now i want an overall blanket of compression to rein things in and make the kit sound more cohesive to itself.
i do this by routng the entire drum kit to a group channel so i can compress slightly,. works good. Other wise you have all these bit and pieces of your drum kit with different, possbile wayward compression giving the impression it "is" all seperate pieces.
Only problem with routing an audio track to an FX track is this means you have to use the effect vol control of the effect plug-in itself to get it to the right level.
This isnt the best method, as fx work better with its "Mix" vol turned right "up" and the volume governed by your "send" slider on your audio track. If you want the best of your effect it must be turned up so its outputing its most, so you can hear everything its got clearly.
otherwise Its like turning a distorted guitar down by the volume knob instead of the amp volume knob, it loses its nuts and drive and everyting else along with it.
Oct 08, 2011 09:05 pm Just found a neat trick on the base...
Select all the tracks you want to send to a given group, and hold **** + Alt while you change one of the tracks outputs. This will change all of the selected tracks to the same output!
Hope it saves as much time for you guys as it does for me.
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Oct 08, 2011 10:52 pm hey man thats cool. what am i holding tho? i got the +Alt bit.
Oct 09, 2011 05:11 am Oops, missed an F. Hold Shift + Alt.
sylvioInactive
Since: Nov 16, 2008
Nov 04, 2011 04:16 pm thank you for all th e comments
sorry for taking so long to reply
but i just got a whole heap of information that
is so usefull
and who said learning isnt fun
dont stop there plss continue with more ideas plss
i know i would be bothering you but just for me to get a general idea
thank you again i really do enjoy all what you said so far
eveyone is welcome with their different ideas
Dematrix, colonel_sanders and quickxkid
thank y ou again
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BeerHunterwww.TheLondonProject.caMember
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Nov 04, 2011 05:08 pm Quote:
Oops, missed an F. Hold Shift + Alt.
Hahaha
sylvioInactive
Since: Nov 16, 2008
Nov 04, 2011 06:49 pm you laughing at me
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Nov 04, 2011 08:14 pm i thought that was frickn hilarious too BH, it totally threw me out coz it picked up it was, but wasnt, a swear word. tee-heee-heee.
Na Sylv, not laughing at you mate.
How is it all going Sylvio?
sylvioInactive
Since: Nov 16, 2008
Nov 04, 2011 09:26 pm im ok
thank y ou
just trying to pitch in on that joke
seems like i was boring beerhunter
or he didnt want to Oops, missed an F. Hold Shift + Alt.
at me
sylvioInactive
Since: Nov 16, 2008
Nov 04, 2011 09:28 pm by the way dematrix
im ready for class you can
begin anytime now
lol
sylvioInactive
Since: Nov 16, 2008
Nov 04, 2011 09:28 pm i have been waiting for hours now
to early for class
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Nov 04, 2011 09:33 pm sorry class canceled for today, i got some shiz to do.
hey, that what you got a manual for tho ey?
sylvioInactive
Since: Nov 16, 2008
Nov 04, 2011 10:55 pm yea
but manual dont explain all of that
try reading cubase manual and you would see
but i respect you have things to do
so i cant blame y ou
aint y our job to teach me
but i appreciate all the help you have giving me so far
so thank you again
and dont be no stranger i would still be looking out for ya
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Nov 05, 2011 12:58 am hey no worries bro, anytime, and hey, ive read that manual too many times man,
itsw the only real way to get things done. But keep firing off questions till you get the dreaded "RTFM"
i have many times myself...it means "read the fu8king manual" hahaha, yeah it happens to us all.
I do agree tho some things dont get explained in the manual
sylvioInactive
Since: Nov 16, 2008
Nov 05, 2011 06:21 am it have all about routing and busses
but dont really xplain about mixing
maybe it have how things get done in cubase
but but that is about it
i read all about plugins and stuff
if you see one place that have
how you mix in the manuel le me know
i even have a cubase guid i bought sometimes back
and its only guiding you the same like cubase manual
only a little more simple than the manual
but beside i learned much more on youtube than i ever did in the manual
but then again youtube is the boss for beginners but when y ou get a hang of it you want to be more advance
that where you come in
lol
like its all said its all in the ears
but for someone that its still new
need ideas that isnt in the manual
hahah
thank you still
sylvioInactive
Since: Nov 16, 2008
Nov 05, 2011 06:21 am sorry for mistake
i think sleep still in m y eyes and some wine hahah
Nov 07, 2011 01:05 pm To create a buss to an aux track then:
Add Group Channel,
Now go to the track you want to buss to the aux (Group Channel).
At the right hand side it says Stereo In
Stereo out
Click Stereo out and choose the Group channel.
Done. :)
Same applies for FX Channels.
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Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Nov 10, 2011 08:04 pm i agree alot of it is listening to what your ears tell you.
FX etc are not the answer, getting your settings right going in and eq imo is where its at. good luck.
