ACID PRO 7 or 8

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Member Since: May 06, 2011

Need some HELP!!!! I'm having an issue where I'm recording into Acid. Example of my issue in it's simplest form. Here we go. Recording (arm IN) into Acid an instrumental. Once I'm done, the track is there. No problem. Now I want to play the track outloud, I set it to arm OUT. No problem. While it's playing out. I wan't to lay out an accapella over what's being played out. So I set my new track to record IN, (over the instrumental). When I hit record, the new track that's supposed to only be recording the accapella is also recording the instrumental but the instrumental is a little lower while the accapella sounds fine. I'm trying to figure out while the other track is bleeding into my new track. I need nothing to be recorded but the track that's coming IN.

I'm using a Yamaha Audiogram 3 Interface. The OUT of the interface is going into my mixers Line in 8 (that gives me the volume control, along with the interface’s volume control). The Line IN is going to my mixers RECORD OUT. All my drivers are ASIO. Control Panel has everything set to Yamaha USB Interface. The Playback Device, The Recording Device, is all set to the Yamaha.

My PC is what is running the software. I use Serato and my HC4500 to play all my tracks into the pc via my mac laptop with the interface being the go between. Any ideas?


Broken down. Yamaha OUTPUT goes into my mixers LINE IN input. So when I want to play out what I recorded into my PC, I raise my LINE Ins volume. Yamaha INPUT goes into my mixers RECORD OUT. That lets me adjust the volume of the recording. All drivers are ASIO and ACID Preferences show them being used. One thing I do see in this screen, the very first line is says “Microsoft Mapper” grayed out while everything below it says Yamaha ASIO. Not sure why that is. My control panel is set for everything to use the Yamaha interface. In and out.. Recording too. Not sure what I’m missing. I’ve uninstalled and reinstalled everything, drivers and software. Read the manuals..

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John
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Since: May 06, 2007


May 06, 2011 01:05 pm

Hey there, I got your message in my inbox. I'll be replying soon!

Rockstar Vatican Assassin
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May 06, 2011 01:13 pm

I've read through your post several times, and I'm not sure why you're not just using the Audiogram direct to Acid Pro via USB. Like, why introduce the mixer? What advantage is the mixer providing you?

I'm going to guess, though I can't be certain here, that the yamaha came with software and drivers. The software that came with it would serve as your digital mixer, so there's no extra hardware required. You can pan the output, set the levels, choose the sound output (headhpones or monitors), etc...

All that being said, you can probably simplify your setup and reduce interference by minimizing your connections. Mic/Guitar -> Audiogram -> Workstation.

In Acid Pro, make sure the Yamaha ASIO drivers are selected in the preferences. Use the Acid software to record/playback and setup Busses.... use the yamaha software to alter the output (mostly gain and panning) of whatever it is you're sending to Acid Pro. When you arm the track, you can then select the input number from the Audiogram (1 or 2) and choose either stereo or mono. Once you have a track recorded, disarm the track, create a new track, and start the process over again.

John
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Since: May 06, 2007


May 06, 2011 01:23 pm

Ok, I see you’re having issues with some recording in Acid. I understand your frustrations completely, believe me. When I was first starting out, I was lost on MANY levels. I’d be completely happy to help, I am just not sure how much help I can be without knowing your setup with this Yamaha interface. This sounds to me like, this could be an issue with hardware settings within that unit. Not a technical error or bug really, but just something that isn’t set right. I myself, use a Line 6 UX8 as my interface. And I know sometimes, there are stereo channels that need to be set into separate mono channels in the Line 6 driver settings. I don’t use any external sound mixers myself. All my stuff is on screen, so I am not sure if you’re external board is causing something funny to happen or not.

I am pretty sure I understand what the issue itself is. You’re already recorded track is bleeding into a new track that is only suppose to be picking up just your accapella sounds. Are you recording instruments? Or mics/vocals on this second track? This is where I am lost.... from the post you made, it appears you have the Yamaha unit set as you’re complete sound card control. It is running all your playbacks and records. So, I am not really sure what would be causing this.

One thing you may want to try. When you insert that second track and arm it to record, right click on the ‘record’ button and make the menu drop, and look into your options for input. Make sure that it is only receiving signal from whatever input you are using on the Yamaha station, and that the playback signal is not also getting sent to that input. To me, it sounds like you have something crossed over in your connections where the playback audio is being sent back into the Yamaha station, causing the issue. I wish I could be a little more help, but if I can’t see your setup exactly, it’s some what hard to do.

John
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Since: May 06, 2007


May 06, 2011 01:25 pm

Ok, I see the other reply from Hippie. As he said, and somewhat I said, I have no external mixers. I think something is cross talking into your other tracks because of the way you have the external mixer hooked up.

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May 06, 2011 02:28 pm

Any reply is great.. ty! Well I use the mixer because I'm a DJ. So the mixer lets me connect my gear (cd player and or turntables) to specific lines. Rockwood, when I right click the record button, is there one I should be selecting in the menu drop? I def think something is crossed, I just cant figure it out. The only thing I've thought about is, my line out from the Yamaha interface being plugged into my Line IN into my mixer. This is how I'm playing out from whatever Ive recorded into ACID. That lets me play out what Ive recorded to hear and bring in another track via my cd player and or Turntables.

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May 06, 2011 02:31 pm

I'm thinking of buying a pair of powered monitors and connecting those straight into my yamaha and by-passing the whole using the line in on my mixer to hear what I recorded into ACID.

Rockstar Vatican Assassin
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May 06, 2011 02:45 pm

With that being said... what's the purpose of having the Audiogram? From what I'm reading now, it sounds like you're using your mixer as your "sound card" (like rockwood said) but Acid Pro is pointing to the Yamaha aSIO drivers, which would only produce 2 selectable inputs to arm a track with. If you're mixer has, lets say, 6 outputs then you're not configuring Acid to use the right inputs.

I'm assuming here the Mixer has more than 2 inputs, supports both line-in and Mic in, has panning controls, phantom power, etc. But what you're lacking is a sound card on your PC that has either RCA in or XLR/TRS in... right? So you're using the Audiogram's USB to create that connect to your PC?

bace135 in the house tonight!
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May 06, 2011 02:48 pm

Ok, so if I understand correctly, dj mixer out goes to yamaha in. yamaha out goes to dj mixer in?

If so, this is what I think is happening:
1) Previously recorded instrumental goes from your computer (ACID) into mixer since "Yamaha OUTPUT goes into my mixers LINE IN input"
2) Acapella goes from turntable/cd player/mic input to mixer
3) Mixer mixes the sounds together
4) Mixed sounds go from mixer back into yamaha input since "Yamaha INPUT goes into my mixers RECORD OUT"
5) Mixed sounds recorded to new track in Acid.

You need to find a setup/signal routing that lets you hear the two sounds at the same time, but only records one of them at a time. You may need to incorporate a non-dj style mixer into your setup but maybe someone smarter than me can suggest something for your current gear.

bace135 in the house tonight!
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May 06, 2011 02:52 pm

A headphone amp to connect heaphones or speakers directly from the output on the yamaha would work also... they would play the combined signals directly from acid and only the input from the dj mixer would be recorded.

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May 06, 2011 03:08 pm

Yes, the go in between to my DJ gear and the PC is the Yamaha Interface. It only has 3 Options. very simple. Mic connections (i dont use) then a Line IN and a Line OUT. Thats all. I use standard RCAs to connect to the mixer and the yamaha.

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May 06, 2011 03:14 pm

Exactly........

Ok, so if I understand correctly, dj mixer out goes to yamaha in. yamaha out goes to dj mixer in?

If so, this is what I think is happening:
1) Previously recorded instrumental goes from your computer (ACID) into mixer since "Yamaha OUTPUT goes into my mixers LINE IN input"
2) Acapella goes from turntable/cd player/mic input to mixer
3) Mixer mixes the sounds together
4) Mixed sounds go from mixer back into yamaha input since "Yamaha INPUT goes into my mixers RECORD OUT"
5) Mixed sounds recorded to new track in Acid.

You need to find a setup/signal routing that lets you hear the two sounds at the same time, but only records one of them at a time. You may need to incorporate a non-dj style mixer into your setup but maybe someone smarter than me can suggest something for your current gear.

Rockstar Vatican Assassin
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Since: Mar 20, 2009


May 06, 2011 03:35 pm

I think it would probably be best practice to just get a soundcard that has as many inputs as your mixer has outputs, like the M-Audio 1010. Then each instrument/device has its own channel output and independant track recording.

www.guitarcenter.com/M-Au...344-i1154078.gc

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May 06, 2011 03:47 pm

Well I guess it is what it is lol.. Just weird that I was able to do all this using Acid 4 and a cheap soundcard I bought for about 20 bucks with the same set up, just minus the Yamaha. Just picture my whole set up using a RCA from my record out to a 1/8 inch line in connection to my pc. Figured I upgraded getting a USB interface.

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May 06, 2011 03:50 pm

I've even set it up to record using my PC card's line IN and only using the Yamaha to play out. And selecting one sound card for playback and one for recording.. same issue. But Im sure the issue lies with equipment I have. Well thanks fellas. it's much appreciated.

Rockstar Vatican Assassin
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May 06, 2011 03:56 pm

You could still pull that off. I mean you can get a RCA to 1/8 adapter and go directly from Mixer to PC still. The drawback to this, however, is that you could only use the MASTER outs on the Mixer to produce one "armed" track at a time in Acid (which would be using native windows drivers in this scenario).

As long as you're willing to track one instrument at a time, its doable!! To be honest.... really only drums require multitracking capabilities. Unless you have separate rooms and lots of headphones, you wont' be mutitracking vocals and guitars or whatever.

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bace135 in the house tonight!
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May 06, 2011 04:13 pm

Hippie, I think this is a typical DJ mixer, not a mixer that you might be used to for instrument recording purposes. So generally, they only have a stereo out, plus a headphone out.

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I've even set it up to record using my PC card's line IN and only using the Yamaha to play out. And selecting one sound card for playback and one for recording.. same issue. But Im sure the issue lies with equipment I have. Well thanks fellas. it's much appreciated.


You have to follow the sound... this is basically the same as before, 2 sound inputs into the mixer, mixer combines the inputs and sends to computer for recording. You need a set up where you can listen to the combined sound but the computer is only recording one sound. If the mixer is the source of the sound you want to record (acapella), then you can't send the original track (instrumental) back to your mixer or it will also get recorded.

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May 06, 2011 04:28 pm

What If I get some powered monitors, connect those to the Yamahas OUT, and just forget about routing that OUT back into my mixer.


"You have to follow the sound... this is basically the same as before, 2 sound inputs into the mixer, mixer combines the inputs and sends to computer for recording. You need a set up where you can listen to the combined sound but the computer is only recording one sound. If the mixer is the source of the sound you want to record (acapella), then you can't send the original track (instrumental) back to your mixer or it will also get recorded."

bace135 in the house tonight!
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Since: Jan 28, 2003


May 06, 2011 08:51 pm

Yes, that will work.
How do you monitor right now? Headphones out from the mixer?

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