Bace 135 in the house! (Your vocal chain is off the chain)
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Posted on Aug 04, 2010 03:04 pm
Quincysan
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Contributor Since: Nov 11, 2007
Care to spill the beans on your vocal chain in Frisco Kids? Did you do any vocal doubling in the verses? Parallel compression on vocals? Any EQ?
I'd love to mess around with some of your settings, what's your compressor/EQ at etc.
Edit: I'm listening to your song Vicadin on your website. All these beats are sounding great man. And thank you for taking down the level of the audio watermark thing haha!
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cooloFrisco's Most UnderratedMember
Since: Jan 28, 2003
Aug 04, 2010 04:42 pm Ha ha, thanks quincy for listening!. I'll respond more in depth tomorrow, but basically I'm recording using a Neumann TLM-103 into a grace 101 pre into delta 66. Just in my bedroom, no special accoustic treatment. There are some doubles on accented words (usually at the end of lines). Effects chain is compressor -> De-esser -> eq -> reverb (room and very light just to move it back a touch).
I don't have time today, but tomorrow I'll go find the exact settings and if you want, I can even upload the files if you want to play with them. Eq wise my standard vocal curve is to drop a couple db below 60Hz, and a slight narrow boost around 1.7kHz and a slight narrow drop around 2kHz. Then any backups get the reverse treatment, slight narrow boost around 2kHz and slight narrow drop around 1.7kHz. Backups are panned just teeny bit one way or the other while main vocals are straight down the middle. Thats what I start with and then make adjustments based on the beat and song to what sounds best to me. I don't really know what parallel compression is, so it's just a compressor on each track with it's own settings. Usually backups get compressed a little more than the mains...
More tomorrow.
Quincysanhttp://www.unitedmusicians.infoContributor
Since: Nov 11, 2007
Aug 04, 2010 06:02 pm Awesome man thanks!!! Looking forward to the full monty. Also...I'm about to send you an email. Look for it, pretty important it gets to you before the end of this week at the very latest.
CptTrippsCzar of Turd PolishMember
Since: Jun 20, 2006
Aug 05, 2010 01:39 pm Im thinking the TLM through the Grace have alot to do with it. Besides having the voice of an angel that is.... ;)
Quincysanhttp://www.unitedmusicians.infoContributor
Since: Nov 11, 2007
Aug 05, 2010 02:24 pm I typically use an SM7B through an API 312 for most male tenors...it's not like that's a BAD combination, but I definitely agree Coolo's vocals have a great sound. I don't think it's a natural sound, so I think the processing Coolo uses is significant. I would assume that a Neumann through a Grace would be much more transparent than an SM7B through an API...but honestly in an untreated environment I'd expect my setup to sound better. Since it doesn't, I want to know what else is going on.
cooloFrisco's Most UnderratedMember
Since: Jan 28, 2003
Aug 05, 2010 10:04 pm Voice of an angel? Ha ha, yeah right.
Here are the settings on the main verse vocals. I forgot to get the backups so I'll do that later/tomorrow. Effects are in the order of the chain (my previous post was wrong). Hope this helps some. Also, the acapellas ( 1. main verse dry, 2. verse doubles dry , 3. main verse and doubles wet) are in a zip file which can be downloaded here:
www.beatbridge.com/friscokidsacapellas.zip
Compressor
Threshold -23.0
Ratio 2.75:1
Attack 29.85
Relesae 53
EQ
-5.5db @25Hz Q=5.1 high pass
-5.0db @35Hz Q=7.8 band pass
+2.0db @75Hz Q=11.4 band pass
0.0db @250Hz Q=13.5 band pass
-5.1db @58Hz Q=7.0 band pass
-0.4db @599Hz Q=9.1 band pass
+1.9db @1384Hz Q=7.0 band pass
-1.0db @2261Hz Q=7.0 band pass
0.0db @8000Hz Q=7.0 band pass
0.0db @16000Hz Q=7.0 band pass
DeEsser
Bandpass @6435Hz
Threshold -20.8
Reverb
Room Reverb
12% wet
-2.5db @3805Hz
Quincysanhttp://www.unitedmusicians.infoContributor
Since: Nov 11, 2007
Aug 06, 2010 08:45 pm Holy EQ, Batman! I'm going to dial this in soon and give it a whirl. We use a really similar compressor setting on vocals, so it's not that. I rarely de-ess anything, I do most of it post tracking...but I'll give it a try in the chain. Nothing in the verb that I haven't tried.
I think the differences are probably due to the EQ and the Grace/Neumann combination. I've got a friend with an old u87 he's trying to sell...I'm so hesitant to try a really nice LDC in my house, I feel like the room will ruin the performance. Do you use one of those mic isolation things? What do you do?
