Apr 21, 2003 12:29 pm beats me!
Delta 44 Driver insanity
Posted on Apr 21, 2003 12:29 pm
PorpoiseMuffins
a.k.a. Porp & Mr. Muffins
Member Since: Oct 09, 2002
I know I've asked this question before, but it was a long time ago and now there may be some more people who are in my situation.
I'm running the Delta 44 with Sonar on Windows XP.
When I click on the "Intput" box for a track, I got a monsterous, illogical list of selections much akin to the following:
Left M Audio Delta 44 Mulichannel 1/2
Right M Audio Delta 44 Mulichannel 1/2
Stereo M Audio Delta 44 Mulichannel 1/2
Left M Audio Delta 44 Mulichannel 3/4
Right M Audio Delta 44 Mulichannel 3/4
Stereo M Audio Delta 44 Mulichannel 3/4
Left M Audio Delta 44 Mulichannel 5/6 (What??)
Right M Audio Delta 44 Mulichannel 5/6 (okay...)
Stereo M Audio Delta 44 Mulichannel 5/6 (HUH???)
Left M Audio Delta 44 1/2 (What's going on?)
Right M Audio Delta 44 1/2 (Am I seeing double?)
Stereo Audio Delta 44 1/2
Left Audio Delta 44 3/4
Right Audio Delta 44 3/4
Stereo M Audio Delta 44 3/4 (Hmmmm.....)
Left M Audio Monitor Mixer
Right M Audio Monitor Mixer
Stereo M Audio Monitor Mixer
The Delta 44 manual does not address this issue, nor will M-Audio's support. In fact, the manual doesn't even mention WDM drivers; only MME and ASIO!
Right now I'm using the ones that say "multichannel," but as far as I can tell, both multichannel and the lack thereof work exactly the same. And why the heck does it list Multichannel 5/6 when the Delta 44 doesn't have inputs for those!? I've been trying to just ignore this whole thing, but It's driving me insane... Both Multichannel and normal are also displayed in the windows audio windows as well, but Multichannel only says "Multichannel" and regular lists both "1/2" and "3/4."
Also, a question about Bit depth:
If I only want to record in 16-bit, should I set the Delta's bit-depth operation at 24 bit anyway and just leave the actual file bit-depth at 16-bit? Or should I make them both 16-bit? Or should I set my file bit depth to 24-bit and dither later? Or does this question make any sense?
Also, If I'm experiencing the occational pop in the audio recording, should I increase the buffer in Sonar, or the one in the Delta Control Panel for the sound card itself?
Help! Thanks guys :-)
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Apr 21, 2003 12:31 pm someone will know though...
Apr 21, 2003 12:31 pm Haha! Oh gee... Let's hope
Apr 21, 2003 01:23 pm Anybody else want to try and tackle this monster (Or any piece of it)?
Apr 21, 2003 01:30 pm OK, yes, the WDM drivers for the Delta list a butt-load of stuff that is seemingly pretty useless. Why it lists those out is beyond me, but I had the same thing with my Audiophile 2496. I believe these are generic drivers written for the bolk of the Delta series.
However, you do mention that you use Sonar. If you use Sonar 2, go get the free update to 2.2 and then it will use the ASIO drivers and get substantially lower latency.
If that isn't the case, just try all the 1/2's see which one performs the best, then do that for 3/4's and then disable the lower performance drivers in the Sonar audio device control panel so they are not listed out in the track selection options.
Apr 21, 2003 04:43 pm Porpoise, did you use M-Audios uninstaller and uninstall the old drivers first before you installed the new ones? I had the same thing happen when I did a driver upgrade. I know their list is long but it should not have doubles. You will need to go to M-Audios web site and get the uninstaller and use it to remove the drivers, and then reinstall them. Then you shold get a much simpler list. Still big but not that big.
Oh yes, and just set the bit depth to 16, as Sonar will actually set it anyway, but this will avoid confusion in the future.
Apr 23, 2003 09:02 am Thanks guys. I have Sonar 1.3, so I'd have to buy the upgrade to 2.0 first. I'd like to be able to use the ASIO drivers, though. It's pretty weird that M-Audio never even mentions the WDM drivers on their site or in their manual.
dB-How would I go about checking the performance of the inputs?
Noize-I did try the uninstall before. The repeats aren't exactly repeats because they say "multichannel" in front of them. Maybe the multichannel ones are for the Delta 66, except that they work with my 44 too. It doesn't appear that I have two sets of the drivers installed from what I can see. About the bit-depth thing: Sonar still says 24 bit next to the card's bit-depth even though I have the file bit-depth at 16-bit. Is that okay, or should I change it? Is it taking up extra memory for no reason or something?
Apr 23, 2003 09:06 am Quote:
dB-How would I go about checking the performance of the inputs?
See how well they record, how they sound playing back, what kind of latency you experience while recording, how much crap you can through at them before they choke...stuff like that...
Apr 24, 2003 04:03 pm I just realized that the Multichannel 5/6 is actually the same thing as the Monitor Mixer inputs. Do you think that one of the sets of drivers could be for working with windows and the other set for recording in a recording program or something? What set should I use for what? Because I realized I can't run the CD player if I have both the windows output and sonar output sent to multichannel I/O. What do you think? I'm still waiting for a response from M-Audio on all this.
Apr 24, 2003 10:58 pm Porpoise, I will open Sonar tommorrow and let you know what my list says, and then tell you what I am running. I still have Sonar 1.3 installed as well as 2.2 so I will take a look at how it is set up as far as the driver list goes. And yes, I would set it to 16 bit to save on processing power and space.
Apr 25, 2003 10:19 pm Porpoise, I have the multi channel drivers enabled in 1.3 and they seem to work the best. I have heard that M-audio is releasing another driver version in about a month or so, and it will deal with the WDM issue a little better yet. My other suggestion is to try enabling the WavePipe and see if that help the latency a bit.
Apr 25, 2003 11:30 pm Okay, thanks Noize.
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