First song posted here

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Member Since: Feb 07, 2010

Hi Everyone,

This is my first time posting here. I thought I would share a song I just finished working on two days ago.

Here's the link:

Also available (albeit in lesser audio quality) on my myspace page:

The song is called Rise. It is a dance song with a bit of rammstein influence thrown in.. It is my first dance-type song. I used ableton live to record it.

Any critique is welcomed.



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I am not a crook's head
Since: Mar 14, 2003

Feb 07, 2010 10:49 pm

I'm listening on a laptop through the built-in speaker, so I can't get a great impression of the sound quality, but I'll at least comment on what I can discern from these awful speakers...

It's definitely like you described: dance meets Rammstein :)

The sounds are all good quality. The only thing I can really tell on these speakers is that the whole mix is pumping quite a bit. This is a side-effect of the compression that you probably used to bring the whole mix up to volume. I think that the lower frequencies are triggering the compressor to kick in and clamp down on all of the other frequencies, creating the pumping. It sounds like its the kick drum in particular that's triggering the compressor.

I'd try to turn up the threshold and turn down the ratio of the master bus compression. Maybe this would even be one of those rare instances where a multi-band compressor would be a benefit. Set the bands to isolate the low frequencies that you want to be solid, like 120 Hz and below and set the threshold and ratio to really clamp down like it seems to be right now. Then you can set the higher frequencies at a lighter compression so that it will compress independantly of the low frequencies. This might help eliminate the pumping of the whole mix.

I'm certainly no authority on multiband compressors, and I know that they're generally disliked by mastering engineers for the damage that they can do. But maybe this would a chance to play with one.

Maybe try compressing the kick drum by itself and then see if that helps the whole mix's compression.

Overall, good job. If I remember I'll have to listen to it on my main listening setup and see how the panning and volumes are. At first listen, it seems balanced and well-situated.

Since: Sep 30, 2009

Feb 07, 2010 11:46 pm

I'm totally digging this :)

Can't really offer much advice on the mix itself though. I don't have enough experience in my bag. I will say this however, something feels overdone on the kick, maybe compression. Listen to what Tadpui said more than me :P But ya, i mean i certainly like the pump feel this song has and you wouldn't dare want to completely cut that out. But maybe just tame it a touch in my opinion.

Nice job

Since: Feb 07, 2010

Feb 08, 2010 12:18 am

Thanks Tapdui and Fragile for the good comments.

The pumping is as you said a by-product of the compression that I use to bring the whole mix up. I'm really no expert when it comes to mastering my mixes, and usually use a couple of plugins (Gclip, Waves Multimaximizer,etc..) instead to do the job.. The multi-band compressor is a good idea though, and I will look into that..

A small pie will soon be eaten
Since: Aug 26, 2004

Feb 08, 2010 03:58 am

Well I'm conflicted.,

The metal guy in me loves it yet is slightly confused.

The dance guy in me doesn't exist, but if he did would be going gang busters.

I can say that the mix is outstanding.

This could have gone for 10 minutes and I'd still be listening, I was just so engaged by it.

Sonically it's tip top.

Nicely done!

A small pie will soon be eaten
Since: Aug 26, 2004

Feb 08, 2010 04:00 am

indecently, I was listening through a 5.1 set up (quite loud) and it was perfect.

I've got a vision.
Since: Dec 05, 2008

Feb 08, 2010 01:23 pm

Bit repetitive but I guess it was Your idea to create such hypnotic feel. I think guitars are too far 'in the back' or maybe it's just my speakers? Anyway, I liked overall concept. Keep up the good work ;)

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