Small Bar/Pub set up advice
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Posted on Jan 26, 2010 05:26 am
Kaos62
Kaos is only a form of insanity
Member Since: Feb 03, 2005
I know I can rely on you guys to help me as always !!
I have friends who own a small bar 800 sq feet ( 75m²) and we are looking to improve the sound system.
We are limited to 95dB ( we have to pass through a limiter ) due to local laws on noise polution
The room is a rectangle, but with the advantage ( i think ) of having different angled ceilings, part is sloped, part flat, part sloped.....
The system will be used for general music, PC based with sound card, CD player etc.....But wer are also looking into having the ability to put small accoustic formations through it 2/3/4 piece guitar vocals etc (no drums) (mixer and connections/leads i'll deal with at a later date)
The Question !! We have been recommended a system comprising of 4 x JBL control 1 satellite speakers
www.jblpro.com/catalog/Ge...=195&MId=2,
with a sub www.jblpro.com/catalog/su...3&doctype=3
and a yamaha p3500 amp.............for 1500€ or 2100 USD
Do you think that This system will be ok for what i have suggested or do you have any other ideas.............Understanding that we wish to keep around this budget of 2 - 2500 USD
Look forward to hearing your opinions
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Jan 26, 2010 06:51 am Ya know, given the size of the room, and the db limit, I am kind of wondering if the sub woofer is even necessary, as the bass wave would just barely have room to even develop, really (slight exaggeration, but it makes my point).
Perhaps 15" w/horn speakers, spread evenly throughout the venue would help spread the sound evenly without having to get crazy loud in any one area...perhaps just a single decent sized speaker like that in each corner, and maybe even a couple small ones in the center aimed out the long way of the rectangle for even coverage.
Jan 26, 2010 10:17 am You know, you could probably get away with some cheaper speakers than those JBL's. I love my harbingers, and there are plenty of decent speaker manufacturers. That said, JBL's do sound VERY nice and if you've got the money, go for it haha. (Also btw, i couldn't see anything from that link. I think its my computers fault but that means i couldn't see the price.)
But ya, JBL's are probably worth it so idk why i'm even posting this lol. But just realize there are other options out there if you're on a budget.
Also +1 to what DB said.
Jan 26, 2010 04:44 pm Big Question......... What's the weighting on the dB scale?
If it's 95 dB "C" weighted. Then OK. I guess the control 1's will........ (Can't believe I'm saying this!)...... They will be OK. (Hate Control 1's!)
If it's dB "A" weighted. Then you can go with something a little better suited for the bar. Something with just a little oomph to it.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-weighting
Quincysanhttp://www.unitedmusicians.infoContributor
Since: Nov 11, 2007
Jan 26, 2010 05:00 pm @ Rob: So I was trolling by your profile and couldn't help but notice...
Quote:
Married for the past 10 years to the most beautiful women
...ALL of them?! Do you have like, a main?
Jan 26, 2010 05:02 pm hahahahahahahahha, OK, I don't care who you are, that's funny.
Jan 26, 2010 05:28 pm Alright smart ***!
It's fixed. Ya happy now.
Kaos62Kaos is only a form of insanityMember
Since: Feb 03, 2005
Jan 26, 2010 11:56 pm Thanks for the quick response as ever.
dB - My original idea would have been to have full range speakers in each corner aswell, but due to wall space availability, doors etc I don't have the space available (strange but true!)
Fragile - I do have the option of Martin Audio or Electrovoice as well in that price range..........
Rob - after reading and translating the reg's (as I'm in france) I believe it is class A (thanks for the wiki ! ) What do you suggest as an alternative to the control 1's.........?
Jan 27, 2010 04:44 pm Let me see what I can come up with for you.
I do have very good contacts with Turbosound. Maybe they have something that will work in your price range.
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Jan 28, 2010 04:51 pm I know this may get the stink eye from some people, but the Bose L1 systems work pretty darn well for smaller venues.
www.bose.com/controller?u...stems/index.jsp
The sound is very nicely spread, and feedback is virtually none, even while in front of the system. Plus it takes very little space.
We had 2 sets (pole and bass module) for our vocals and light guitar duty when I was giggin and they did a very nice job.
I'd suggest 2, with a sub each. That may be over your budget, but may be worth a look.
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Jan 28, 2010 04:52 pm Oh yeah, we used the model I, which is the middle set on that page i linked.
Jan 28, 2010 05:43 pm pjk has a good little system there that may work for you.
I don't know what your cost would be in France for them. But, they are OK.
I have been striking out with Turbosound right now. They are all just getting back from NAMM.
But, there is a company that ROCKS over where you are. Nexo. And they have a small club system that would be perfect for you. They are a little expensive here. But, they may not be for you.
www.nexo-sa.com/asp/catal....asp?linkid=808
Jan 28, 2010 05:48 pm I don't know if this is close to you. But here is the address and phone numbers for Nexo.
France
NEXO SA
Parc d’Activité du Pré de la Dame Jeanne
B.P. 5
60128 PLAILLY
Tel: +33 (0) 3 44 99 00 70
Fax: +33 (0) 3 44 99 00 30
e-mail [email protected]
