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...bringing sexy back
Member Since: Jul 01, 2002

...finally, after Internet Explorer kept messing it up, and with lots of help from DB ive got a song up

Its a little instrumental piece which is going on the forthcoming album

some of ya might've heard it before chipped onto the start of another track

let me know what ya think if you get a chance people...

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...bringing sexy back
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Since: Jul 01, 2002


Apr 16, 2003 10:04 am

oh yeah...its here, under the music section:

flametheband.homerecordingconnection.com


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Since: Sep 09, 2002


Apr 16, 2003 10:18 am

that is freightening. yeah, I remember that intro from the amyl and alcohol track. I was wondering how that one was coming along.

...bringing sexy back
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Apr 16, 2003 10:27 am

no further really...made some changes as per Jues' advice and rerecorded the acoustic guitar lines in it but got stuck at the vocal part cos ive had a cold and sore throat for a couple of weeks now.

been working on another tune as well, as yet instrumental...ill post that one in a bit as well...

got two songs nearly done ut of the 12 or so i wanna get done...making slow progress, but i think id rather spend the time making it all sound cool and be pleased with it than just rush it out

cheers for listening dude!

Chief Cook and Bottle Washer
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Since: May 10, 2002


Apr 16, 2003 11:00 am

Flame,

My first reaction was "What have you done!". But joking aside, I hear a lot of recording, mixing, and sound manipulation expertise in the clip. It definately "wets my appitite" to see where you go with it.

You still worry me sometimes!

...bringing sexy back
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Apr 16, 2003 11:59 am

expertise? lucky breaks more like!

cheers walt!

...bringing sexy back
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Apr 17, 2003 05:05 am

OK, theres another new track up at the above link if anyone would car to listen.

i value your guy's opinion cos you all have a degree of knowledge in music production - a lot more than, for example, my girlfriend does...so any input is always much appreciated

cheers people

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Since: Sep 09, 2002


Apr 17, 2003 05:53 am

that's cool. the bass and guitar arpeggios really go together nicely. You might bring the guitar up a little in the mix, it's pretty faint. If you want a distant sound, maybe a little more HP filtering will let you bring it up with sounding too obtrusive.

I swear i can hear some faint vocals slipping thru on the giutar track around 1:15, but the mp3 player won't let me rewind and listen.

...bringing sexy back
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Apr 17, 2003 06:09 am

its actually on the bass track...i was singing along whilst playing that part so i could remember where i was...and didnt realise i had a mic on, and plugged into my mixer!

not too worried about it, cos the real vocals will go over that part anyway.

cheer for listening fella!

Chief Cook and Bottle Washer
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Since: May 10, 2002


Apr 17, 2003 11:26 pm

Second song,

Excelent work on chord structure, timing, fit, etc. Might want to review the bass just a little. Nice job of playing, but maybe a little out front. Maybe a little compression on the bass might not hurt. Hard to tell without playing with the whole mix obviously. Real nice start for sure. I'm sure you'll get the right mix when the vocals are added.

...bringing sexy back
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Apr 18, 2003 04:34 am

a little out front? as in too loud? i think that as well...

Chief Cook and Bottle Washer
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Apr 18, 2003 10:13 am

Yes, a little to loud for the mix so far, a little "hot" or overdriven possibly as well. This might be a challange. I like the sustain on the bass. It fits the piece. But with the sustain, you are getting "bloom". I long to hear the sustain with less bloom or boom effect. That can be rough. And of course that is just me. And here I probably am a poor reference being a bass player and God forbit opinionated!

...bringing sexy back
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Apr 18, 2003 10:16 am

im working on a slightly quieter mix...but like ya say, i want to reduce the 'bloom'...dunno how though, any ideas?

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Apr 18, 2003 10:48 am

like Walt said, compression. set the threshold near the sustained peaks and work it from there. that should squish the initial "bloom" you're getting with the attacks and even everything out

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Apr 18, 2003 11:29 am

i see...kinda

ill have to have a play with it, see what i can do

failing that, turn it down so ya cant hear it!

...bringing sexy back
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Apr 18, 2003 12:18 pm

theres another version up now guys...i think this ones better for sure, what do u think?

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Apr 18, 2003 02:26 pm

you know you've got that one under "rap/hip-hop"?

personally i like the uncompressed punch, but that's because i would have plunk plunk plunked 8th notes the whole time instead of the sustained whole notes ::shrugs:: it's a matter of personal taste.

if you were looking for consistency then you've got it. now i only wish i didn't have to reload the whole page in order to play the song again :O(

...bringing sexy back
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Apr 18, 2003 06:25 pm

consistency's good...maybe i could stick a second copy of that part quieter in the mix and still get a bit of the punch in there...or even just for the chorus bits.

cheers guys...im a lot happier with this one now!

...bringing sexy back
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Apr 18, 2003 06:27 pm

and yeah....i know its under rap/hip hop. i thought it'd be funny, although thinking about it now, it wasnt THAT funny!

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Apr 18, 2003 06:33 pm

yeah, great idea... take two tracks (if you machine can handle it) and mix the two to get just the right mix of comp/uncomp

...bringing sexy back
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Apr 18, 2003 06:50 pm

we have a plan...cheers for your help dude (and walt as well, of course)

Chief Cook and Bottle Washer
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Apr 18, 2003 10:31 pm

Sorry was out for a bit. Cleaned house today. Yuch! What a mess. The dust bunnies had turned into dust Blogs. There everywhere, there everywhere!

The other thing I was wondering about was how you recorded the bass. Was it direct plugged into the mixer? It almost sounds like a little electrical mismatch between the pick ups and the mixer input. A DI box, Pod, or preamp might help if that is the case. Don't get crazy about it. Keep in mind I am listening to MP3, and I am niting this a little. You have a good mix, next step would just be great!

Czar of Midi
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Apr 18, 2003 11:01 pm

Im still cleaning Walt. I think I can see the floor in here now, oh wait its just another layer of CDs and paper work. Oh well, maybe if I dig anothe foot or two.

Havent had a chance to listen to the new version yet flame, but hopefully I will get a chance tommorrow.

...bringing sexy back
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Apr 19, 2003 03:06 am

no rush...im away til tuesday now. anyways, yeah, the bass was recorded direct through the mixer - ive not really got the gear to do it any other way as yet!

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Apr 19, 2003 10:36 am

hey Walt, i record my bass direct. what do you mean by "electrical mismatch"? is it something to with impedance? i don't hear anything wrong, except it sounds a little weak, like it has no oomph. one thing I've noticed about using my behringer's preamps with a bass, is that i have to leave the low cut button OFF or it just ruins the bottom end.

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Apr 19, 2003 11:18 am

Yup Jamie you got it!

It's an odd phenomenon per my experience. Bass will do just that. I started like everyone here going direct from pickups on the bass into the board. Some basses work better than others, and yes it is a function of impediance. The results on one bass that had the worst impediance match was just that, a lot of bloom and boom by the time I got the VU up to snuff. A bit later I picked up an amp head that had ballanced per amp out. What a difference. Tight percise base at good VU levels without bloom and boom. The Behringer DI box does pretty well too. I have also heard a lot good about pod. The best is always a good bass pre amp as part of the instrument is the amplification and inherent "modeling" if that term is acceptable.

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Apr 19, 2003 02:48 pm

My bass head has a line out as well as built in compression, parametric and graphic EQs, high or low impedance pres and junk. even crossed over line outs with a shiftable cutoff. it's real slick for recording "direct". sounds alot better than straight off the board. BTW flame, when you get those CDs in the mail, i recorded my bass straight into the mixer, not from my bass head. i need to hook that thing back up and play with it.

...bringing sexy back
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Apr 21, 2003 12:04 pm

your cd's not gone out yet...sorry

the postal service is kinda non existant over easter...all is back to normal tomorrow.

enjoy!

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Apr 21, 2003 02:21 pm

you'll have to let me know wether or not your package has been opened or tampered with. i'll explain later

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Apr 22, 2003 04:48 am

hmmmm...

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