transferring data via USB
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Posted on Apr 11, 2003 07:14 pm
fortymile
Member Since: Jan 18, 2003
hi
anyone know how to do this? i got my new system today and i want to transfer a few gigs of data from my old drive to my new one, and id like to do it via USB, for convenience. if anyone's done this, can you tell me what the process is?
thanks
forty
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juesContributor
Since: Dec 30, 2002
Apr 11, 2003 08:22 pm Unless you used USB2 you would be waiting for a very long time.
I don't think there are any peer to peer USB networking solutions out there (But I am probably wrong).
The best way to go about this task, IMHO would be just to hook your old Hard Disc Drive up into the new machine and transfer the files this way.
jues.
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Apr 12, 2003 12:57 am Ya, I think Jues is pretty much on top of it. If you have slots, pick a couple of NIC's. Now that everything is going wireless you can find some real deals on 10/100 nics.
Apr 12, 2003 01:41 am yeah, i did some looking at the bookstore today and i didn't even see mention of USB transfer.
nic=network interface card, right? i'd rather set up a temporary network than relocate my old hard drive--i just have the sense that i would screw that up somehow.
here's what i know:
my new system has this: 1 430-0412 INTEGRATED,INTEL PRO 100M PCI NIC CARD
my old system was/is connected to the internet via an ethernet card. (old system is windows 98, new is windows xp.) if my head's on straight, i think these two cards can communicate. right? even if this is correct, however, i have never laid eyes on these cards. where are they located, and via what type of cable they can be made to connect with each other?
thanx
forty.
Apr 12, 2003 03:07 am [heed advice at own risk]
i think you need RJ45, it looks like a big telephone plug. I'm sure someone on here can help you set up windows to have each machine recognize each other. something in the control panel i think, and then the other computer shows up in the "network neighborhood". whoa, or i could be wrong.
[/heed advice at own risk]
Apr 12, 2003 04:18 am ok so youre certain, though, that those are both nic's and that, being such, they can probably communicate? see, i dont even know if an ethernet card is the same thing as an nic--i'm assuming that it is.
juesContributor
Since: Dec 30, 2002
Apr 12, 2003 09:24 am An ethernet card is probably not the same as a RJ45 NICable.
You will also need a "crossed-over" RJ45 so that the two machines talk to each other without the need of a network router.
jues.
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Apr 12, 2003 12:44 pm Your new computer is network ready per specs. Make sure you follow Jues advice and ensure that you get a "cross over" RJ45 cable. Most cables on the shelf are "streight through" cables and will not work between two computers directly. One way to see what you have in the old computer is go into the device manager of Microslop 98 and see if the ethernet is listed as a network adapter. If your old computer is suffice for surfing the net and general tasks this may also offer you the opportunity to make your new computer a dedicated computer for recording which really helps for maximizing audio applications. you can use the older computer for getting updates, downloads, etc and use the network connection to transfer the data back and forth.
Apr 12, 2003 03:44 pm all i can tell of the ethernet card in the old computer is this:
tcp/ip cnet pro200 pci fast ethernet adaptor
i just need to know if you guys think that that will communicate with the INTEGRATED,INTEL PRO 100M PCI NIC CARD
i'm sorry--i don't know how to check to see if "the ethernet is listed as a network adaptor"
i know zilch about networks.
i do understand the concept of the RJ45 cable, however.
juesContributor
Since: Dec 30, 2002
Apr 12, 2003 08:34 pm Network cards are only about £10 - hell, if you lived near me I would happily lend you one...
jues.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Apr 12, 2003 08:35 pm Yes forty, the nic card will do the job between both machines. As long as you follow jues advice and make sure you use a cross over cable you will be fine.
Apr 12, 2003 11:38 pm thanks. i bought one but i cant figure out what the steps are. i think i might just install this old harddrive into the new system for some transferring.
Apr 12, 2003 11:47 pm can i yank a monitor conenctor out of the back of one running computer and plug into another running computer? it is hard to set up a network when you only have one monitor. i need to switch back and forth. this seems dangerous, tho.
Apr 13, 2003 01:41 am oh screw it. i know enough not to ask for help with networking...not unless the person helping is in the same room. i'll try to figure out how to install this old hard drive into the new computer.
juesContributor
Since: Dec 30, 2002
Apr 13, 2003 03:30 am ... and that was the last we ever saw of him ...
no, seriously - how did it go forty?
Apr 13, 2003 06:28 am huh?
i don't aim to bother anyone with marginalia. from what i know of it--(not much)--an attempt at solving network problems by typing out what every little setting is, looking for help that way--that would be just a huge mistake. aren't there about a million different things that could be wrong?
no. what i'm gonna do is imma jam this old drive into the new system. as soon as i find a hammer.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Apr 13, 2003 10:44 am Im not sure about it, but I think the hammer is a none standard tool for installing hard drives.
flame...bringing sexy backMember
Since: Jul 01, 2002
Apr 13, 2003 11:16 am dunno, i used a crowbar, angle grinder and welder to install my soundcard!
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Apr 13, 2003 01:45 pm Fortymile,
Don't feel bad. Networking can be confusing. I wanted to use garage tools on my computer too when I first started trying to figgure it out. And yes, the best way is to get someone in the same room that has done it before. It is extreamly hard to learn networking via a forum thread. I find for intricate hardware adjustements a sawsall and a jack hammer work well. I have never had any problems with a PC that that I have fixed with a steam roller.
Apr 13, 2003 03:38 pm :)
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Apr 13, 2003 04:23 pm Ya, the network thing was kind of a confusing thing for me as well. I had to have dB baby sit me over the phone to get mine up, but now that its up it is running well.
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Apr 13, 2003 11:44 pm Ya, I just changed mine around again. Got three machines on 98, one on XP home, one on XP pro, and the Alesis is set up as a web server. Blew out the netbui stuff and went completely to static addressing. Quite a difference. Works much better and more reliable. Also lets me into the alesis from any machine with an FTP transfer prog. Had to alter my sharing properties and practices a little but definately worth the hastle.
Apr 14, 2003 03:22 am this is the "computer" forum. I'm sure it's okay if someone walks him thru the process.
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Apr 14, 2003 10:47 am Jamie,
That's a career choice! not an exersize! I studied and trialed and errored for two days putting together my latest iteration of my network. Seriously to talk someone through it would be over my head.
Apr 14, 2003 10:53 am fortymile, your integrated card should communicate fine with any NIC card. As a rule if they use the RJ45 cable then they will probably be able to talk as long as you have the same networking protocols (preferably TCP/IP) installed on each machine, they are assigned to the same workgroup.
Tho not manditory it's also wise to assign the internal IP's of your PC's in the 192.168.0.xxx IP range, as it is designated for small networks.
Apr 14, 2003 05:13 pm yeah, i dunno. even setting up a simple 2 computer peer-to-peer for file transfer is beyond me right now. the problem with learning complicated things in general is you need definitions of basic parts and concepts before you can get anywhere in terms of understanding. there should be a series of books called like 'foundations' or something. for like, all kinds of different fields.
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Apr 14, 2003 10:42 pm You got it fortymile! That is the biggest block to get around. All of the acronynms, definitions, "industry speak" involved. Once past that networking is pretty streight forward. Unfortunately I have not found any great books on networking. I have some Que books that are pretty good in general on operating systems. They have text on networking, however a lot of text. Not really streight up get to it hook up a couple of computers.
If you really want to give it a go. Let me know and I we can try to set a time to try it via email. Although that might be a trick too as you will need a seperate computer to send and receive email....maybe not a great idea. Maybe if I knew the operating systems you are using on the computers and if I have them on mine I could write up something and send it to you via e-mail. Your option.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Apr 14, 2003 10:57 pm Walt, you need to get on ICQ or something. I finally put in Trillion at dBs recomendation, and I dont know how I lived this last 6 weeks without it. It is nice to chat in real time, as jues and I did last night to get the ball rolling on a project. And you can transfer files and what not also.
Apr 15, 2003 02:35 am hey, thanks walt for the offer.
i dont know if gonna keep trying to network these. i think tomorrow i'll just install the old hard drive into the new system. but i feel like typing right now, so ill describe the problem breifly. maybe the solution is very obvious.
new computer=windows xp. old=windows 98.
new computer has a network interface card 100 pci something or other.
old has an ethernet card installed by the cable company for connecting to a cable modem.
i bought an rj-45 crossover and plugged em together, than ran the xp network wizard on the new system. it then asked me to make a diskette copy of the wizard and run it on the old system, which i did.
i did the whole process several times and im not sure i chose the right options. the ins and out of the wizard would take far too long to type out or go into. but the result i kept getting, after the process had been gone through several times, was always this:
in 'my network places' there would be a LAN icon and an icon for 'pavilion' which is the name of the older computer which i was hoping to extract my files from. i'd click on pavilion and tell it to connect, and one of two things would happen. it's foggy to me, the particulars--like, i cant remember details right now--but the thing would either try to connect directly through a com cable (which im assuming is the rj-45) or else it would dial. dialing was obviously wrong, so i stopped choosing that option. when it tried the direct connection, it would give me a message 'verifying user id and password.' then it would fail and retry, giving me a countdown until the next attempt. errors 721 and 777 seem to be floating around in my mind. i think those were the ones i kept getting but i might be wrong.
it all seemed wrong. i was working so randomly, that--it now occurs to me--i might have input a password/username on one computer but not the other. but i dont remember, and i think not. but i made so many attempts, that at least on one i must have gotten everything square. i think i just dont know what i'm doing.
anyway, shouldn't the LAN be the connection i'm looking for?
i was so absolutely, uterly lost in this enterprise, that it really is useless i think, to try to explain it to me, especially via forum.
but if i obviously did something wrong, and you can tell what it is from this account, then maybe let me know. i dont want to muck about with the ethernet settings on the card unless i know what i'm doing. losing internet access on this old system because i've changed some settings and dont know what i did would be a hassle.
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Apr 15, 2003 09:51 am Yes, Fortymile the lan is the connection type you are looking for. And it sounds like somewhere in the Wizard you have got the machine looking at the dial up connection. Unfortunately nothing simple is popping into my head. I would want to look at you network properties on the 98 machine and make sure that the wizard has got sharing working. Next step would be to mark your hard drive for sharing. Having said that, there's no telling what old Wiz has decided to do without checking out all of the peramaters.
One thing XP still pounds on is the internet option. One of the first screens is a list of options that have to do with how you will get on the the internet. I found it wierd that the option most frequently used by folks was "other" on that screen. A second screen then came up and basicly said this machine and all other machines on the lan will use their own connection to the internet. I am also wondering if you picked an option where the machines are trying to share an internet connection. Microsoft is weighted toward using the internet connection sharing feature. There is good reason per security concerns for that. It is real easy for a hacker to get into the entire lan via a single computer connection and cause all kinds of grief. The lan sharing and the internet connection are not isolated with adaquate firewalls. Some folks will share an entire drive to make it easy to do accounting and such from multiple computers. Boo boo. Real easy for a hacker to get your financial identity information right off you computer.
Sorry, I couldn't help much. Good luck drive swaping. Computers can be a pain!
Apr 15, 2003 03:07 pm yeah, forget networking for now.
i do have a problem in that i need this xp machine to connect to the internet, itself alone, and i've not been able to make it do that.
perhaps my running the networking wizard fouled things up in some way. all the info on my compuer says that this system ships ready to connect via broadband--you dont have to do anything, just plug in to the cable modem and go. so i was surprised when nothing happened. perhaps i will call the cable people.
i love computers!
Apr 15, 2003 03:23 pm Ya, it comes broadband ready if you use MSN...nobody could ship a PC that just plugs in and runs on the 'net. Every ISP is different and has to be configured to use their particular ISP.
To network the two to use a single internet connection (a broadband connection) your best bet is to go out and buy one of those D-Link or LinkSys 4-port hub/routers for about $50 or so.
Check out this: www.amazon.com/exec/obido...438040/sr%3D1-1
or this: www.amazon.com/exec/obido...438110/sr%3D1-2
Then the hub/router has all the internet connection configs and the PC's just have to connect to the home lan, no broadband at all, it just uses broadband through the hub/router
Apr 15, 2003 07:11 pm jeez what a long thread.
i think my probs are solved. it turns out this computer does ship ready to hook up to any cable modem. all i had to do was plug the connector into the modem...i just misread one of the very obvious messages the system sent me. and now that i've figured out master/slave issues, the last step is to install the old drive, tonight.
Apr 15, 2003 08:01 pm So you just plugged in your modem and got online, eh? Hmmmm, must not be a very secure ISP...weird, SOMETHING has to be configured, if not, I wouldn't do business with 'em myself...but hey, you're online, rock on dude...
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Apr 15, 2003 10:38 pm Fortymile,
Glad to hear you are crusin! Again appologies for my limited assistance.
Noise,
Now you want me to get an ICQ? I just got used to having a Blog. Where do I find ICQ's and are they expensive critters?
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Apr 15, 2003 10:44 pm ICQ is free, but and so is Trillion. Trillion let you run all your messangers at once. dB turned me onto it, and I just finally got around to getting it, now Im glad I did. They have a free version as does ICQ.
Apr 16, 2003 05:31 am Trillian is for free, or they have a $25 Pro version that runs little plug apps as well such as a Stock Market watcher, Weather tracker, server port scanner, email checker and other cool stuff, those are just the ones I use, there are plenty more...
it's at www.trillian.cc
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Apr 16, 2003 10:25 am Ok, I have a Trillian on my computer. I havn't fired him up yet. But I will give him a try soon.
Apr 16, 2003 02:51 pm i dunno db i think it configures automatically. this is roadrunner...i dont think they skimp on the goods. it is worth keeping in mind, though, that i have no idea what i'm talking about.
Apr 16, 2003 02:58 pm Well, if it works for your great, thats what matters, personally, I don't let ANYTHING "configure itself" when my network's security is involved, I just don't trust any "wizard"...but maybe it's just me...
Apr 16, 2003 06:51 pm yeah that makes sense. but ignorance is bliss.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Apr 18, 2003 04:01 pm dBs been doing this network and internet thing way longer then I have, so I trust him moer then I trust myself. That is why I put Trillion in, and I am kicking myself for waiting so long to do it. I use several differant IMs and it keeps everything nice and tidy in one little box. I went with the Pro version also as I do like the new ticker and a couple of other goodies it has.
Hey Walt, now we can sit and drink beer and yap on your new Trillion. I cant imagine what you are goin to use for a name though, as I am sure Walt and the derivatives of it are all more then used up. I am sure you will think of something dreative though.
Apr 18, 2003 04:07 pm Ya, Walt is good at "dreativity" :-)
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Apr 18, 2003 08:08 pm OOPS, creativity then.
Apr 18, 2003 08:24 pm i was think dreativity, like a cross between dreaming and creative. but if it's just a typo, maybe i'll use that in some lyrics?
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Apr 18, 2003 10:19 pm Which service should I use to yap with my Trillium? Are any services better than any others?
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Apr 18, 2003 11:45 pm I have them all on except for IRC. I get my Hotmail and Yahoo mail right there in Tirllion. I guess I would start with the ICQ one. I have had that one on since I installed it and it hasnt disconected yet.
