Help! Recording in MONO ONLY (PC+Magix+Delta 44+Audio Buddy)

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Member Since: Oct 03, 2009

I'm stuck right now being able to record with 1 channel i guess only? In mono? In Magix Studio 05/Audacity both, the bottom level audio is FLATLINE! The top only is picking up. And the output just doesn't sound right. I'ma include actual visuals in a minute with how its hooked up.

SMH @ MYSELF. A friend of mine came thru, wanted to record a song and this is the only proram i have to work with(Magix Music Studio Deluxe 2005! IT COULD BE a setting on the computer or recording software or with my driver on my audio card(M-Audio Delta 44? Perhaps a connection (input or output) with my M-Audio Audio Buddy preamp? Does the mic plug straight into the preamp THEN OUT to the 44's BREAKOUT BOX 1 or 4 inputs and BACK OUT to whatever your speaker/output is playing to hear overall audio? Or does it go to the breakout box THEN the preamp?

I've checked the settings on the input/record section. I may have a selection incorrect(Delta 44 1/2 + Delta 44 3/4 + Delta 44 Multi etc).

^^^ Real talk.^^^^ I'm bout to step out the door and meet Mr. Swisher
just 2 relax off this. I'm at a loss at to whats going on.

These are images plus text included on how i have them hooked up. Hopefully this gives you an idea visually. Yall help me out. I know its late in the evening, but, maybe someone can look out for me, help me figure this out.


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Well, I uninstalled a 1394 pci card out of the other slot, took the 44 out and slapped into the 2nd and last pci slot where the 1394 was. Looked in the Device Mgr under sound cards, no 44 was there. Just the icon in the control panel that never seems to go away after you uninstall it.

Cable 3 from the ALL CORDS SHOWN photo in post above is going from the mic, to the mic's phantom power box. Cable 2 is a MONSTER CABLE FEMALE XLR plugging out as MIC OUT from the phantom power box as w/an XLR MALE on the other end plugging into the M-Audio Buddy rear panel into the Ch1 of "MIC IN". To route the mic from there, it has the 1/4" jack MALE plugging out from Ch1 output(balanced/unbalanced) of the Audio Buddy to A 1/4" MALE into 1st channel of inputs on the Delta 44 breakout box. Routed out of ch1 on OUTPUT on B/O Box TO the amp is a dual 1/4" MALE blk/silver unbalanced plug, the amp is virtually my speaker. That part really doesn't affect it actually picking up vocal/recording stereo signal though.


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pic1- split of INSIDE CPU W/DELTA 44 & Sounds & Audio Devices Properties
I rebooted, the found new hardware wouldnt pickup, yet it had recognized it earlier before we had messed around with it. This has happened before! LAST TIME when it installed [U]CORRECTLY[/U], the computer recognized it AUTOMATICALLY AS "Delta 44 Multimedia Controller" or whatever it exactly stated. It picked up, installed on its own. Only thing i had to do was go to M-Audio and get the latest driver for it and it should've been ready. All the connections are as described.


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SCREENSHOT of the Settings panel under magix2005

It should show the 44 but nothing there. This is after the reinstall on the 44's pci card. Still not installed correctly for some reason. If I download the driver and run THAT program, will it THEN decide to pick up the 44 once ITS installed? But exactly which driver download update is BEST? Running XP Pro SP3.


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This is where I currently stand. Where to go from here? Help.

If you need me to post up a pic of another area screenshot-wise or anything to help squash this, let me know. I've got all the posts open, sitting in front of the pc.

Thank you so much for your time and I sincerely appreciate your time looking thru and potentially helping me.

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Member
Since: Oct 03, 2009


Oct 03, 2009 03:08 am

*bump for AM heads* updated to the last minute on info/pics

Byte-Mixer
Member
Since: Dec 04, 2007


Oct 03, 2009 03:38 am

Heya, and welcome to the forum.

I read through the list of pics and the rest of the post. It sounds to me like everything is routed properly as far as the mic and the cable ins and outs.

Make sure that the cable between the Delta44's card and the breakout box is secured. I've had issues where the cable was a little loose and would sometimes have a bad connection back when I was using an SBLive Platinum 5.1 card. It wasn't the most secure fit that's for sure.

If I'm understanding correctly you swapped the PCI slot that the Delta44 was in after removing the firewire card right? Sometimes that can create havoc in a system because certain slots share certain IRQ's with other devices, and sometimes you can end up with a device/IRQ conflict when you switch slots.

If you haven't done it, you could try uninstalling all the software drivers, put the Delta44 back into the slot where you know it worked, and then reinstall all the software, starting with the drivers for the Delta 44. Then re-install the software for the mic.

Beyond that, it looks like the route is fine. Mic going to the preamp, preamp going the the audio buddy, and the audio buddy going to the breakout box. It could be that maybe the software's inputs aren't enabled, but with the Delta44 not showing up in the system, I'm betting it's either driver or hardware related.

Hope that helps. Let us know how that works for you, and we'll get to the bottom of it for sure.

Member
Since: Oct 03, 2009


Oct 03, 2009 06:25 am

As of right now, I've got good news. I uninstalled the 44 and rebooted. Had the onboard sound disabled. Turned it off, reinserted the 44, booted, it pulled up as Delta 44 etc and installed correctly BUT ONLY BECAUSE ID GOTTEN A DRIVER, INSTALLED IT BEFORE then it [u]picked up finally.[/u]

Still only picking up that half a channel unless set to record on Delta 44 Monitor. Then it'll pick up both channels l/r for stereo., but its still not right. I've never recorded off of monitor. It was a combination or 44 1/2 & 44 Multi. Here's some screenshots of the settings on audacity for recording/playback

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This is the latest and the greatest.... hit me back yall, thanks for the views, responses so far, someone help me get it right.

Member
Since: Oct 03, 2009


Oct 03, 2009 07:53 am

Someone elsewhere pointed out it could be an ASIO issue, settings wise? Worth a try, but, explain. I realize make sure asio isnt disabled, but what from there to take a stab at this?

Member
Since: Oct 03, 2009


Oct 03, 2009 08:10 am

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Triple3Rydah/delta44controlpanelmixertab.jpg


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Is this proper driver for it? I remember one time before,i talked to an m-audio rep on the phone and they had me download a different version which got it working correctly.

On the screenshot with the mixer tab open, notice the levels. i hit the wall to the closet/booth, jumped the levels so yall could see what was what on the monitor.

what gives?

Byte-Mixer
Member
Since: Dec 04, 2007


Oct 03, 2009 11:33 am

Well, that is the latest driver looking on M-Audio's site, so I don't think there's anything wrong with using it. In fact I'd recommend you stick with that one unless someone around here mentions an earlier version that's more stable or something.

Are you using both outputs from the Audio Buddy going to channels 1 and 2 in the Delta? It could be that it's only picking up channel 1 because the mic is a single input on channel 1, so I'm not sure channel 2 would pick up the mic's signal. Is it possible you had them linked together somehow within the software, either in the Delta's mixer, in the daw or audacity or something?

Maybe I'm just confused on what you're trying to accomplish, but from your current setup, it appears it's working as it should given the cabling and the signal path and the mic being on channel 1.

As for the weak signal going into the Delta...maybe there's something with the gains on the devices the signal is traveling through, and that's why you're getting a weak signal? Is it getting the proper boost from the phantom power?

Only other thing I can think of is going through the software settings in the card's mixer, in audacity, in the daw, and checking to make sure the proper input channels are enabled, and the faders are at 0 in the windows volume panel, and the Delta's mixer panel. Although from the pics it looks like you got that covered pretty well.

Edit: Also, I may be a yutz thinking in this direction, but: Assuming the back of the mic is facing the wall of the booth you're smacking; given the mic has a cardioid pattern, it's not going to hear what's going on behind it very well, so I wouldn't expect anything more than around -40dB worth of noise going into it that way. I'd get in front of it, record a track, and have a friend take a screenshot or something to get an idea of what's really going into the mic signal-wise. Or have you at the console and a friend talk into the mic at normal levels, and see where the meter is peaking.

Czar of Turd Polish
Member
Since: Jun 20, 2006


Oct 04, 2009 12:58 am

So wait, your trying to record 1 mic to a stereo signal? 1 mic "should" be recorded as mono. If you select a mono input vs. stereo then you should be set. We create stereo by panning and then mixing down stereo at the end.

Input 1/2 are L/R so when recording both as a stereo signal you would need two mics hopefully matching (overheads for drums or a piano) for this task.

So yeah, it sounds like you are capturing channel 1 and 2 with a signal only going to one of them. When selecting the input for a track you usually have the option of "stereo 1/2" or "mono 1". Something similar anyways.

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


Oct 05, 2009 05:58 pm

Wow, I can't believe I wasted all that time reading that and realizing that is the problem as well Tripps.

M-Audio will list the drivers as follows in your application. Unless the application is at fault which very well could be an issue as well since its a 5 year old app.

1/2 stereo
1/2 mono L
1/2 mono R
and so on for all 4 channels.

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Oct 14, 2009 04:42 am

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