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Posted on Sep 30, 2009 04:39 pm
stratwizard
Member Since: Nov 19, 2008
This is probably a wierd question for a forum like this but I am really stuck... I bought three guitar stands all at once and they came with a warning that says the stands will damage the finish on the guitars with "nitro cellulous lacquer finish". I have no idea what the finish is on my guitars and I couldn't find anything on this topic.
How do I know my guitars have that finish??
My guitars to stay on the stands;
Peavey Wolfgang USA
Squier Vintage Jazz Bass
Ibanez Euphoria EP9 Acoustic guitar
I appreciate all the help...
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TadpuiI am not a crook's headMember
Since: Mar 14, 2003
Sep 30, 2009 05:06 pm The only one of those guitars that I'd even suspect to have a nitro finish would be the Wolfgang. Even then, I think that only the Fender Wolfgang models have that finish.
Gibson Les Pauls and a lot of their other solid body guitars have a nitro laquer finish, but not a whole lot of other contemporary mass-produced guitars do. I think that mostly vintage and botique guitars deal with nitro because it's messy, hard to work with and has a small margin for error during application.
It's prone to react with some chemical in the rubber pads they use on guitar stands and will stick to the finish, sometimes discoloring or damaging the finish. I don't think that Squier or Ibanez deal with nitro and use a poly finish instead.
But you might want to look at the manufacturer's sites just to make sure. It'd suck to take somebody's word for it on the internet and then find your guitar that's been on its stand for 6 weeks now has a greenish tattoo where your stand's rubber pads are :)
BeerHunterwww.TheLondonProject.caMember
Since: Feb 07, 2005
Sep 30, 2009 05:45 pm Just from a different prospective, if they are valluable to you then put them in a good case rather than hanging. If you have to hang them for extended periods of time, maybe look into a pad of sorts that will separate the guitar from the rubber. I have been using Hercules wall hangers for years. My guitars have been hanging on this entire time and I have no marks at all. The problem with Nitro is that it takes and really really long time to harden. This make it succectable to markings in the finish.
TadpuiI am not a crook's headMember
Since: Mar 14, 2003
Oct 01, 2009 11:55 am So BeerHunter, which one of those guitars do you use when you stand in front of the Pulp Fiction poster and play Miserlou? :)
That's my all-time favorite movie. It changed everything for me. I still watch it a couple times per year, even 15 years after I first saw it. That soundtrack was the soundtrack to my freshman year in college. We just had it on repeat.
I just bought a couple of Hercules compact stands, and they advertise to no interact with nitro finishes. Which is good, because I have my Les Paul and now my Martin D-41 standing on Hercules stands.
HuePinnipedal Czar (: 3= Member
Since: Apr 11, 2004
Oct 01, 2009 12:58 pm I have two guitars with nitro finishes on them... both Gibsons, but I have been in the habit of draping their polish-rags over the contact area of the stand. I was just doing this so that the polish-cloth wouldn't get lost, or pick up anything from the ground/stage. I did not know I was protecting that finish from that rubbery-stuff on my guitar stands.(all four have it, too)
Good to know!
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Oct 01, 2009 08:50 pm Hercules is all I use as well. I replaced my older ones with Medical supply Surgical tubing. That is the only type of rubber that won't react with Nitro. I paint with Nitro and BH is spot on with the fact it is a very slow drying material. I use bake lights to cure it a bit faster. But it is the most wonderful finish. But Poly if done right is also fantastic.
But indeed, if it is black soft rubber it will leave a mark on any Nitro finish. It doesn't happen over night but does happen eventually.
Oct 02, 2009 02:07 am I couldnt find much information about the finishes on my guitar online but not to leave it to chance I covered the foams with a piece of cloth so I think I should be fine.. thanx guys for all the input :)
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Oct 02, 2009 11:24 am yeah just cover the stand with something soft.
seriously though, just from using your git, the finish will eventually rub off. its a bummer but it happens.
BeerHunterwww.TheLondonProject.caMember
Since: Feb 07, 2005
Oct 05, 2009 06:18 pm Having the finish rub off gives the guitar character. A lot of manufacturers (such as this Fender) even use a faux aged finish on guitars for this very reason.
TadpuiI am not a crook's headMember
Since: Mar 14, 2003
Oct 05, 2009 07:04 pm I've never understood the appeal of the relic and road worn series from Fender. It's like the fad in the '80s and early '90s where you could buy faded blue jeans with holes already worn in the knees. Those things actually cost MORE than a standard since they come from the custom shop. Although I think that the road-worn series is comparable in price to an American standard model. But still...
I wonder if Fender's next step will be to simulate a nitro finish that's been damaged by rubber guitar stand pads :)
Hopefully if my Les Paul ever sustains any sort of such wear, it'll be through decades of enjoyment of playing the instrument and not the result of a belt sander!
BeerHunterwww.TheLondonProject.caMember
Since: Feb 07, 2005
Oct 06, 2009 12:43 am Just to be clear, I don't support faux finishes.... just saying. I'm referring more to dings and wear that you have a story to go along with. Eg: I have an acoustic that I dropped because I didn't wise up to using strap locks yet. Put a ding in the body. Now I got a story... "this is the ding I got because I was too stupid not to have straplocks" - lol
HuePinnipedal Czar (: 3= Member
Since: Apr 11, 2004
Oct 06, 2009 09:32 am Don't even get me started on the Fender 'Road Worn' series.
THAT is absolutely silly to me.
"I paid an extra $500-bucks to look as though I've been playing this thing for 20-some years!...
... how do I sound?"
"Like you've been playing for a year... because you have been playing for a year."
BTW, they are made at Fenders Mexico plant. Good guitars come from there, but they're not American.
Oct 06, 2009 10:45 am I think the road worn series comes from the parts that get dropped or nicked during manufacturing. I work in a machine shop, and I wish I could sell my scrap parts as some sort of "vintage" component and have people actually think that was cute or cool...
I have a question for you guys. I see that awesome pic of all those guitars hanging. My question is how damaging is humidity to an electric? I know it's bad for the acoustics, but I keep my strat in the basement, and I am just wondering if it's bad for it. I recently started bringing it upstairs with me, because if I put a new set of strings on it and leave it down there overnight, the next day the strings are already rusty. That can't be good huh?
how about amps too? I have a fender deville, could the humidity get to that as well?
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Oct 06, 2009 10:53 am i just gave up worying about dings n **** in my axes, they seem to just appear and you cant even remember when they happened.
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Oct 06, 2009 11:01 am keep the git neck lemon oiled every string change and you'll be right.
they move around a fair bit guitars, but thats just how they are. temp change, humidity all do things to em, but the bodies are all sealed and the neck's the only thing that needs a bit of worry.
on the strings, that's strange, i'd be looking at them if i were you. sound like cheapies eh?
Unless there's some serious stuff going on in yer basement.
Moisture shouldnt rust them that quick.
amp are different, gotta try keep em away form moisture if possible, especially tube amps for obvious reasons.
TadpuiI am not a crook's headMember
Since: Mar 14, 2003
Oct 06, 2009 12:52 pm Quote:
Just to be clear, I don't support faux finishes.... just saying
I didn't think you did, I just saw that pic and it triggered a rant :)
TadpuiI am not a crook's headMember
Since: Mar 14, 2003
Oct 06, 2009 01:09 pm Even solid-body electric guitars are made of wood, so they'll still be sensitive to humidity. Acoustic and hollow body electric guitars are going to be way more sensitive to humidity since they're much thinner wood and they're glued together and depend on glued-on braces to keep the tops from buckling or caving in.
But the finishes on all guitars are going to be at least a little sensitive to humidity. Temperature changes are going to be a finish's worst enemy but low humidity isn't a great thing either.
From what I've heard, guitars want to be above 35% at the absolute lowest. I believe that 45%-55% is ideal.
But for a good cigar, try 65%-72%. Those oily Cuban cigars like to be more towards 65% and those light-bodied Macanudos like to be more towards the 70% mark.
:-)
HuePinnipedal Czar (: 3= Member
Since: Apr 11, 2004
Oct 06, 2009 02:44 pm Mmmm... Macanudos. : )
I havn't had a good Portofino in far too long.
TadpuiI am not a crook's headMember
Since: Mar 14, 2003
Oct 06, 2009 03:24 pm Macanudo was the first premium cigar I ever smoked. And I was just amazed that so much great flavor could be rolled into a tobacco product (smoking American tobacco rolled into cigarettes for 10 years obviously tainted my tastes in tobacco hehe). I spent a couple of years smoking progressively stronger cigars and then tried another Macanudo and it was like smoking air! It's akin to smoking camel filterless for two years and then smoking a Marlboro ultra light! I don't go near the Macanudos any more. There are so many other good and great cigars out there for the same or less money, I just can't bring myself to waste time and money on them anymore.
Not familiar with Portofino. Is that a brand, a size, or a nickname for a cigar or something?
If you like mild cigars, try something like Por Larranaga, Griffin, CAO Gold, or the 2000 series from La Flor Dominicana (anything else from them will turn you green if you're not used to strong tobacco). If you like medium bodied smokes, you can't go wrong with any of the black-ring Arturo Fuente sticks like the Hemmingway or Don Carlos. Padron 'K' series, Romeo Y Julietta Cedros, Don Pepin Garcia JJ series, any of the CAO series like the Cameroon, CX3, MX2/MX3 (if you like maduro). And if you like an ***-kicker strong sonofabitch, try something like Don Pepin Garcia's blue label, Padilla Miami, Tatuaje. All of Lito Gomez's tobaccos are terrific and strong, like La Flor Dominicana and any of the LG stuff. They'll knock your socks off if you don't have a full stomach. Any of the Padron anniversary series like the 1964 and 1926 are just creme-of-the-crop tasty (and priced accordingly...$20 and up per cigar for those 1926, but if you have a special occasion to celebrate, make that the cigar with which you celebrate).
Anyways, sorry to hijack the thread. We got to talking abut humidity, I slipped in a cigar reference, and that's all it took. Cigars are another hobby of mine, although I haven't been smoking much lately. Now the change in the weather makes it to where I can't go outside to enjoy a good smoke so I only have maybe 1 per month until spring has sprung.
OK, back to your regularly scheduled programming about guitar stands...
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Oct 06, 2009 10:44 pm And just to add to what Tadpui was saying about humidity and such.
DO NOT EVER leave a guitar in a stand or hanger on the wall that is near a heating or AC vent. That can cause some undo heartache as well.
