m-audio confusion

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Member Since: Jan 18, 2003

hey all

i finally bought my new system so that means its soundcard time. but unfortunately i have more confusion with soundcards than with most anything else.

i've decided that m-audio products look great. everyone here says great things about them. so i want to buy from that company. although i have somewhere around $200 to spend, i'd like to save as much as i can, because i'd like to use whats left over to buy a cheap outboard compressor or parametric EQ or something. so, i'm looking to buy a soundcard that i'll be happy with...nothing that is more than i need, but nothing that's inadequate, either. forgive me for typing all of the following out, but i need to see if my own thought processes are making sense.

as some of you know, part of what i work on is industrial/grunge stuff, by myself. i have a korg triton synth which i use for drum tracks, backing instruments, and ear candy. i'm accustomed to having my triton synced up--through midi time clock--to my current 8-track digital studio, and i work on songs by letting the studio trigger the pre-recorded things i have on the triton--which themselves change from time to time. i dont commit the triton tracks to my studio until they're finalized, so what i'm saying is that i work for days at a time listening to the triton through the 8-track, while not recording it on the 8-track. in this way i build guitar and bass, muting the keyboard tracks and playing along to a click track when i record so that i just get the guitar/bass and not the triton stuff--till that stuff is ready. then i commit the keyboard tracks to thier own tracks in the studio.

i think what this means is that i need a soundcard with two sets of stereo in's. that way i can listen to an incoming device as i listen to myself play along with it. is this correct?

i think it also means that i need a soundcard that has midi in/out built into it, so that i can control the triton from my sequencing program. i guess it also means that i don't require a card that has midi sounds built in, because i dont work with such things. on the other hand, i dont care if the card does have built in sounds, if it suits my needs and isnt too expensive.

so i'm looking for advice. maybe m-audio isn't right for me. from the recommendations i see, the only one that will work with my system is the audiophile 2496. but this has one set of stereo in's and one set of coaxial s/pdif in's--and i dont even know what those are. does this mean that the only card--from among the recommended m-audio cards from dbmasters--is the $229 delta 44?

thanks for any clarity you can impart. i wouldnt be opposed to buying a sixty dollar behringer mixer and using a soundcard with 2 stereo in's...if it will save me money.

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Maniacal Genius
Contributor
Since: Dec 30, 2002


Apr 08, 2003 05:16 pm

It sounds to me like what you really need is a soundcard with at least 4 ins and outs and a MIDI interface. The Delta 44 will do nicely to get your audio into the computer and has the needed inputs. That will just leave you needing a way to send MIDI data from your computer to the Triton. I would recommend an M-Audio Midisport. They make several models with varying numbers of ins/outs from 1x1 to 8x8. It hooks up nice and easy via USB to your computer and you're set. Of course, these two items won't come in within your budget, but they would, I believe provide you with what you need and a little room to grow.

You could also probably get away with the 2496 and a 1x1 MIDI interface. You would just need to record a click track first before tracking guitar and bass since you would only have the 2 inputs.

Obviously, budget is always a concern. But I would strongly suggest that you avoid cutting corners with a soundcard purchase. The soundcard is the gateway between your instruments and your computer. This is not where you want to have a weak link.

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


Apr 09, 2003 12:54 am

yeah...thats not gonna work because of price concerns. i know how important soundcards are, though. couldnt i just use the audiophile 2496 and just run my triton into a cheap behringer mixer along with my guitar? then i could have the keys and the guitar mixed and exiting through one stereo output to the soundcard stereo input. when i record the guitar i could then temporarily mute the keyboard.

does the audiophile 2496 come with midi ins/outs? i thought most soundcards had those.


Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


Apr 09, 2003 12:59 am

audiophile 2496:

Applications:
24-bit/96kHz multitrack recording
>>>>>>>MIDI recording and playback<<<<<<<<
Digital transfers; digital mastering
LP/cassette-to-CD transfers
Computer-based home theater systems
Computer-based hi-fi systems

sounds like this card can handle the job of controlling my keyboard. if "MIDI recording and playback" means that it can send a midi out signal, then a solution could be to get this cheaper card (but still good i'm assuming, as dbmasters recommends it) and mix my keyboard and guitar for monitoring/writing through a sixty dollar behringer mixer which i sort of want anyway. am i insane? is this a good idea? sorry to blabber...i am very new at this, and very poor in money, so i want to make sure i dont make any mistakes.

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


Apr 09, 2003 05:25 am

Yes, the Audiophile could do what you need...it's the card I use and it is superb.

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


Apr 09, 2003 06:14 pm

ok then...unless someone stops me...2496 and small mixer is the way i shall go!

thanks

Contributor
Since: Dec 30, 2002


Apr 09, 2003 07:13 pm

Yeah, 2496 it along with a small mixer (perferably try and get one with 2 busses - it will make life considerably easier!)

jues.

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


Apr 10, 2003 05:24 pm

wow...

i thought that, at most, it would just make music production easier. but if it makes actual life itself easier, then i must have a two-bus mixer as soon as possible!


Maniacal Genius
Contributor
Since: Dec 30, 2002


Apr 10, 2003 05:29 pm

Just think what an 8 buss mixer would do! I wonder if it would go to work for me? ;)

Cone Poker
Member
Since: Apr 07, 2002


Apr 10, 2003 06:54 pm

Please Note Sarcasm:
I wonder if it would get my girlfriend to marry me?


Heh, but no, the more busses you have the easier life becomes... in the studio at least.

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


Apr 11, 2003 03:29 pm

i wonder if it would get your girlfriend to marry me.

Contributor
Since: Dec 30, 2002


Apr 11, 2003 08:15 pm

...well, when she hear about my 8 busses and 8 aux sends...

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


Apr 12, 2003 04:21 am

hey db,

you and me are about to have quite similar systems. i was just wondering if you do your recording exclusively on vegas? if so how do you like it?

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


Apr 12, 2003 05:16 am

I don't use Vegas at all anymore, but for the record it's a good app, and worked well with the 2496 on my old system.

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


Apr 12, 2003 03:47 pm

oh--your profile seemed to indicate that you used vegas. what do you use now?

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