RIP - Michael Jackson

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.... yup, the one glove wonder passed away a couple hours ago of a heart attack

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Jun 25, 2009 04:54 pm

All I am reading is that he was rushed to the hospital...

actually, I feel worse for loosing Farah Fawcett today...

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Jun 25, 2009 04:55 pm

Ya, I heard that he was rushed to the hospital but they are now saying he passed.... and yes, I am truly saddened about Farah.... both were too young to go!

www.globaltv.com/globaltv...2619/story.html

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Jun 25, 2009 05:26 pm

Noize2u just called and said NPR verified it too...he's toast.

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Jun 25, 2009 06:00 pm

he was strange but still a talented entertainer. Saw him back in the 80's - amazing tour... RIP Mike.

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Jun 25, 2009 06:22 pm

but if even half of what was said was true, he did some VERY bad things, even if he didn't do anything, he used some INCREDIBLY bad judgment.

Czar of Midi
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Jun 25, 2009 07:20 pm

Yep, it was approx 5:00 PM central time when he passed according to NPR news.

We were checking the web during Rays guitar lesson and it is insanity out there. I'm guessing Japan is going into complete darkness about now.

And to boot, abouit half an hour after he passed The 61 added a new quest called The King of Pop, you simply play a remix of Thrilla and so on.

But anyway, god rest his soul whichever direction he is headed.

edit0r
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Jun 25, 2009 08:38 pm

Duuuude, so sad. MJ's the man. Or was the man...

The Czar of BS
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Jun 25, 2009 09:17 pm

HA! The freak is dead?....... Oh! did I just type that?

He may have been the pop star of the 80's. But when the 90's came around...... He just became the thing the lurked around small children.

Something to put in the closet, and then bolt, board up, weld shut!

Farah on the other hand was not the sharpest knife in the drawer. But, she never did any harm to anyone that I know of. She is the one that I feel for. And her family.

And the freak had to up stage her. What a shame.

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Jun 25, 2009 09:22 pm

"MJ's the man. Or was the man..."

eh, you sure about that?

The Czar of BS
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Jun 25, 2009 09:33 pm

America! What a great place.

Where else could a black boy grow up to be a white women?

edit0r
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Jun 25, 2009 09:42 pm

I'm going to another forum to mourn!

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Jun 25, 2009 09:57 pm

yeah, I doubt you'll get much sympathy here :-)

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Jun 25, 2009 10:02 pm

medical experts are saying "dont blame it on the sunshine, dont blame it on the moonlight, blame it on the boogie.

not the Mesa i hope.

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Jun 25, 2009 10:06 pm

just when the crazys that thought Elvis was still alive are settling down, now there'll be MJ sightings.

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Jun 25, 2009 10:08 pm

I didn't even think about that, ARGH!

The Czar of BS
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Jun 25, 2009 10:09 pm

Yeah, but it sill be slightly different.

AHHHHHHHHH! MOM! The freak is under my bed again!

Czar of Midi
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Jun 25, 2009 10:11 pm

OK, so did I mention which direction he was headed for his new trip?




SOUTH!

No one else was going to say it.

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Jun 25, 2009 10:12 pm

Two of my pet hates.

1. Elvis sighting claims.

2. Elvis imperssinators.

Elvis was freaky cool. leave it at that.

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Jun 25, 2009 11:06 pm

Well the worst is that all we will hear about is MJ for days and weeks to come. Like was mentioned earlier, it is too bad that all focus will be on MJ and Farah will not get the attention she deserves.
I have my share of awfull things I would like to say about MJ but I will save that for another day.

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Jun 26, 2009 08:36 pm

He was pretty popular back in the day. I'm sure he played in many little boys rooms.


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Jun 27, 2009 12:27 am

Quote:
HA! The freak is dead?


Those were my exact words when I found out, as well Rob. I never regarded anything he did as a musician, or a human being that warranted the level of blind faith that his 'followers' gave him. For me, it's always a shame to see someone die so young, but I'll make an exception for this ***. Maybe his kids will stand a fighting chance at being somewhat 'normal', now.

(On a side note, I never really bought the fact that he molested any children... maybe he did, maybe he didn't, BUT I do believe that the whole press-leak, and subsequent public-crucifiction, was brought about by pissing-off Sir Paul.)

Farahs passing, on the other hand, is a shame. A terrible way to go, as well. I'll always remember her as one of the women that were at one time posted on my bedroom wall, when I was a kid. You know the poster... with all three Angels on it? Hell yeah.

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Jun 27, 2009 05:47 am

i appreciate mj, though i'm not technically a fan.

i never believed the allegations (he produces no microexpressions that would indicate lying that i can see) and i never really liked the jokes except in a detached way.

his story fits with the story he told about himself for two decades; the accusers were clearly bankrupt morally. one was defrauding the government while simultaneously pressing charges against jackson. lowlifes.

you can ferret out the actual truth iif you dismiss yourself and watch.mj deserves a little ribbing for his extreme weirdness, yeah. the rest is whatever you want it to be.

mj was innocent.

microexpressions:



neverland:




ekman:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ekman



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Jun 27, 2009 06:00 am

if you slow this down and freeze frames at certain moments, it's very interesting. i have a few screenshots if anyone is interested.

ekman's the guy with the drama series on nbc this year. his microexpressions courses are used to train peeps within the gov't.


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Jun 27, 2009 06:29 am

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Czar of Midi
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Jun 27, 2009 05:21 pm

How could anyone tell if he has any microexpresion's going on or not. His face is so mutated you can't even see it move at all. His speech is even effected by it. Watch and listen to any early interviews when he spoke and had expression's on his face. He didn't sound or look anything like that at all. In that video he looks and sounds like a woman with her jaw wired shut. The cause could probably be due to the multitude of plastic surgeries he had done up to that point.

I will never believe he is innocent, if he is then why was it never brushed under the table and hidden away by high dollar lawyers and the record company? If he was innocent then defend himself and not pay off a huge load of those that came forward and accused him?

Either way, he is gone and many will not forget him.

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Jun 27, 2009 07:36 pm

i guess there is a difference between being guilty and not "thinking you did anything wrong"

i think it was really weird, but i dont think he is guilty of doing any bad stuff.
but just sleeping with kids that arent yours is strange in its own right, and he shouldnt have put himslef in that postion in the first place.
since i put it that way, now im not so sure he was innocent.
dont matter now i guess.

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Jun 28, 2009 04:12 am

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Jun 28, 2009 04:25 am

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Jun 28, 2009 05:47 am

to me , it seemed in that video he was a bit pissed as well, as though he felt really betrayed, which if he was innocent would be fair enough and expected.

im not sure Jacko was capable of sexual encounters, man, woman, or child.
the cops wouldve definatley found "some" evidence if there was, those dogs just wanted his money. hang your heads in shame.


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Jun 28, 2009 07:04 am

he does seem pissed. that look of scorn (the god part) shows up several times.

clinton appears to be pissed too, but to me it looks like it's very much more in his voice and less in his expressions. some of his expressions are very weird and just don't seem to fit with what he's saying at all. to see those you have to really slow down and repeat parts of the clinton video.

btw it's pretty hard to hide microexpressions. if you're a psychopath you can, otherwise good luck.i'm guessing here, but i assume that the brain is wired to show your real feelings first and that any camouflaging expressions are 'after the fact' sorts of things. fixes. inhibitory sorts of things, like the brain's saying 'no don't express that.' but it's a fraction of a second late, all the time, because it's the second thing that happens in the chain. hence microexpressions.

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Jun 28, 2009 09:02 am

eh, deleted it again. it's a pretty big post and i don't care all that much.

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Jun 28, 2009 09:04 am

one who is aware of and in control of those actions could do it to a degree im guessing, until someone who's onto that person, shoots out a question or comment that hits a nerve or they werent expecting.


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Jun 28, 2009 12:19 pm

I'm saddened. Michael Jackson was a genius entertainer the likes of which the world may never see again or at least not in a long time. He made a very large imprint on my early life. He was the first artist I ever knew by name, the first I was ever a fan of, and the first whose album I ever owned. I guess it's easy to make off color comments when you weren't connected, but it's sad to see for me. Especially when the only people who truly know what happened are Michael and the accusers. The rest of us are guessing, one way are the other.

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Jun 28, 2009 12:26 pm

Well, given your personal connection I feel bad for your loss, coolo, I really do. I could relate that for me the day Jerry died.

Everybody has that artist that "spoke" to them, MJ was that for you, and I respect that.

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Jun 28, 2009 04:05 pm

I appreciate that db. I didn't think I would really care, but then I was listening to the music, and it struck me how many memories I have associated with MJs music.

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Jun 28, 2009 04:05 pm

He wrote some catchy tunes, I'll give it up for that, not my style, but damn catchy.

Czar of Midi
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Jun 28, 2009 04:18 pm

And indeed, I'm not disposing of him as an artist at all. Although I do believe the hype carried a little rather then he truly deserved long after he had gone into hiding and become someone or something other then what he was during the rise of Thriller. That was and is his Swan Song and it always will be.

The thing that gets me is that there are many more out there who are more then he was as a complete artist.

Now MJ was an entertainer of the highest caliber without a doubt. But could he write his own music completely by himself, produce it and get it out there? Not really, he was an entertainer, not a writer in that sense of the music biz.

But he was indeed a pioneer or I should say one of the pioneer's that were the MTV generation. He or his producer's took full advantage of the new media and that was what helped create the icon he became. He is not solely responsible for one thing by himself. It was his producer's and the like that got him to were he was. Without each other none of it would have happened. Without Quincy Jones who knows what would have become of MJ back then. Would his dance moves have been enough without the killer tunes that Jones gave him to work with?

I guess I just lost interest in him once he became a while woman. Sorry to say it like that but what else can you say. He did not have some rare skin disease and that is something I did not decide on my own or let rampant media decide for me. That was proven by doctor's who examined him during the troubling days surrounding that video that was posted above. He created his own problems in that sense by so may plastic surgeries and what not.

In the end, he wasn't any longer the MJ that was there in the Thriller days. Yes, I own several copies of that record as it was his greatest piece of work. And I highly appreciate the recordings on that record, and even some pieces after that.

But sadly, at the end of it all he was no longer the MJ we thought he was. And that is true of so many that have been there before him. I can name hundreds of music Icons that have come and gone before and after and many of them became something else in one way or another. Some bad and some good.

Enough rambling. Hopefully this will get my point across without pissing those who still idolize MJ off.

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Jun 28, 2009 05:37 pm

deon, i don't believe most of us can control microexpressions. the thing is, almost no one can see them without slo-mo video. ekman tested 15,000 people and found only 50 people (which he called 'naturals') in that sample who reliably saw them. it's not like acting. obviously actors can control their facial muscles in detailed ways, but when actors are playing a role, there's nothing personal at stake, not in the way that's true about real lying. if you botch a line, your life doesn't unravel. in fact, you just do the scene again. these expressions can happen in 1/15 of a second--too fast to override, assuming that the microexpression comes 'first.' that's how the brain is wired--most of what we do consciously, people think, is inhibitory. there is some famous research which shows that the command to speak or move is initiated before we're consciously aware of it.

noize i just learned that michael wrote billie jean himself. i find that impressive. he wrote some of his other songs too but i'm not sure which ones. i think he wrote a handful of the biggest hits on thriller.

i didn't pay any attention to him either these last years though

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Jun 28, 2009 05:38 pm

by the way, billy mays died today, too. the pitchman guy. so strange.

The Czar of BS
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Jun 28, 2009 05:43 pm

Wow, that was funny. I was just watching the news and they where just talking about Billy Mays.

Looks as if he hit his head when the plane that landed in Florida blow out a tier.

He Twittered the incident, and then past away.

We are loosing a lot of people in these last two weeks!

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Jun 28, 2009 09:11 pm

I was just looking at the liner notes for Thriller. He also wrote "The girl is mine", Beat It, and Got to be starting something, and I think some others but don't remember off the top of my head. Did not write Thriller or PYT or Human Nature.

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Jun 29, 2009 08:17 am

news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090...son_fight_odd_1

www.pcauthority.com.au/Ne...net-attack.aspx

interesting

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Jun 29, 2009 11:23 am

Man, you can't even argue with people any more. No wonder there is so much argument on the internet, because you can't pull a knife on somebody when you're losing an argument. Geez.

It's like the Miller Lite argument of "Tastes great", "Less filling", updated for the 21st century:

"Musical talent!"
"Weirdo Pedophile!"
"Musical talent!"
*pulls knife* "Weirdo pedophile!"
"OK OK OK fine, whatever you say. You're the dick with a knife! You're always right."

Czar of Midi
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Jun 29, 2009 04:20 pm

Yep, time will tell as to what he will mostly be remembered for.

Me, I'll remember Thriller, the album. The Moonwalk. Ben, the song. And numerous Jackson 5 songs. I'll simply pass on the odd period of his life and respect what he did do. Lots of humanitarian things I will remember as well. He did do a lot of good things when it comes right down to it. So we have to respect that about him.

For me its the same as it was with Kurt Cobain. I'll remember him for the cool music he wrote, and simply forget the fact that he took his own life, probably in a heroin induced state of depression.

Funny thing though is I have not found any statement from Sir Paul on this yet.

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Jun 29, 2009 08:52 pm

now they are sayin he wore a wig coz he was bald!
oh my god stop the press!

big 'k'n deal! this dudes gonna be even more of a basket case after all this has settled and he's not even here anymore.

im waiting for the MJ sightings now.


speak of the devil. oh my god again.....is it him??

people he's alive!! i just saw him, that's right, here! in Australia!






Czar of Midi
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Jun 29, 2009 09:16 pm

The hair thing has been out for awhile. That and the huge amount of prescription drug abuse he was doing. It is sounding like at least one doctor is getting ready to leave the country as it was so bad.

You know your in trouble when pharmacy is suing you for a $280,000.00 bill you have not paid. And that was just one.

But ya, I wish they wound simply drop all this crap. I know I am guilty of mouthing off a bit earlier, but let the dude rest in peace and his family not have to go through this. I'm sure that they knew some of it.

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