HELP WITH SETTING UP MY HOME RECORDING STUDIO PLEASE!!!!!

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Member Since: Jan 01, 2009

Hey everyone, hope all is well. I play the piano and acoustic guitar and I have a little setup at home but I am so confused on how to properly set it up the right way and the best way so I can record properly as well as so I can get a good amount of volume if I just want to sit down and mess around but not neccessarily record. I would appreciate it so much if someone could go step by step with me on hooking my equipment up the proper way as well as letting me know the how much all my knobs should be turned up. Example, volume knobs, gain knobs, stereo knobs, monitor/phones knobs, etc.
I am going to list all my equipment I have and hopefully someone can help me out. If there is something else I am missing that I need, please let me know. I have my home studio set up, and it works but I just need someone to help me set it up the proper way. Thank you so much for all those you help me out. So here is the equipment I got:

Martin 000-28EC acoustic guitar with a pick up in it
Roland Fantom X8 Keyboard
Mbox 2, it has 2 inputs and I have Pro Tools
iMac Computer
AKG Preception 120 Condenser mic
Yamaha MG82cx mixer
Audio Technica ATH-M50s Headphones
Two Yamaha monitors.

Please help me on how all this should be connected, thanks to everyone that trys to help.

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Prince CZAR-ming
Member
Since: Apr 08, 2004


Jan 03, 2009 08:01 am

(edit) whew, this is a long one, hope you're sittin down =).

Hi Skoots, Welcome to the HRC.

More than likely, if it's working for you, then it's OK. There's not much here to get screwed up, so it's probably correct.

Anyway, I'll list how I would set this stuff up.

If you want to have everything connected, and then just choose what to hear / record, then using the mixer will be best.

If you want the best possible sound, using the preamps on the mbox, then you will have to disconnect and re-connect cables when you perform different tasks (recording vocals, keys, guitars).

I'll shoot for the first option: using the mixer.

Plug the P120 into the first channel of the mixer.

Plug the jack from the guitar pluging into the LINE input on the second channel. This input expects line level, adn the guitar may not put out line level, only instrument. If this is the case then gain level may need to be heavily adjusted to get decent signal.

Plug the 2 outputs (L & R) from the FX8 to the 5/6 inputs on the mixer. We'll be using 7/8 for returning sound.

Now, you have all your source signals in the mixer. We now just have to decide which ones (or which combinations of signals) to send to the mbox for recording.

Connect 2 cables from the main outs (L & R) on mixer to the LINE inputs on the mbox (1 & 2). Also, connect 2 cables from outputs on mbox to the 2TR IN inputs on mixer. You may need an adapter cable to convert from 1/4" mono over to RCA.

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Push the 2TR IN button so that the 2tr in signal gets sent to MONITOR, not mains.

Plug your monitors into the monitors jack, and I think that's it.

*** Note *** Please realize that I'm doing this by logic (possibly flawed) and by looking at pictures. I could be wrong on actual functionality, and am hoping I'm understanding the mixers features correctly =) *** End Note ***

Setting the Gain:

On the mixer, you'll want to set the gain for all channels, so that each source signal is proper for the rest of the chain.

1. MIC: turn on phantom power, since P120 needs phantom. Sing into the mic at the loudest volume that you will be singing normally. This is no time to be shy, because setting the level too high will incur nasty digital clipping later when you're doing a REAL take. So sing into the mic at loudest normal volume you expect to see. When making signal, set the gain so that the red light comes on only on the loudest parts. 95% of the signal coming in shouldn't trigger the PEAK light.

2. Guitar gain. using the P120 on the guitar, set the gain on channel 1 similarly to how you set the vocal for channel 1. Note that you will have to adjust back and forth, if you use the mic for both guitar and vox. For your plugin mic, set the gain like you did for the vocal mic: play as loud as you would expect, and set the knob for the peak on only light up occasionaly, or mostly infrequently.

3. Keys, the keyboard is set the same way, although the volume on the keyboard will change the source signal being sent to the mixer, so you'll have to adjust this for each patch. I'd use the gain in a moderate level, and adjust the volume on the keyboard. Run test recordings in your software to gauge how loud the incoming signal is being received. If the wave forms are clipping, turn down your volume until they are not.

Now, gain is set. Important: don't re-set the gain knob unless you have a different source. If you set it for your vocals, then leave it alone, and use the mixer faders to change how loud the signal is being sent to the mbox.

Ok, selecting sources. If you want to record your vocals, turn up your fader on the vocals channel on the mixer. Turn the PAN knob of the mixer all the way to the left, and leave it there. If you want to record your guitar at the same time, then turn the fader for the guitar plug-in up. Turn the PAN for the guitar channel (should be channel 2) on mixer all the way RIGHT. This Left & Right will keep your two signals separate from each other when they show up in the recording software (PT). In PT you will make two mono tracks to receive each signal. Vox track will listen to incoming 1, and guitar track will listen to incoming 2.

Another option for recording this way is to record 2 signals of your guitar. You can put the P120 on the body of the guitar, and record both the 'acoustic' sound via the microphone, and the pickup signal from the plug in guitar pickup. You can send these two signals separate to the mbox/ mac by setting 1 signal hard left, and the other hard right, Or, you can mix them together using the fader, and setting both mixer channels hard left, or hard right. This will mix the two together and record them both as 1 signal.

This will allow you to record 2 different things at the same time, while still getting 2 signals from the guitar. Like, if you had a singer separate from your guitar player. They could be recorded simultaneously, but on different tracks.

ALL signal volume to PC should be able to be controlled by the mixer mains fader (STEREO KNOB). I would set this and not monkey with it too much, because all levels to PC will be affected by this. Headphones should be plugged into the headphone jack. Monitor and headphones should be controlled by the MONITOR / HEADPHONES KNOB. It seems that this setup should do all you need =). I hope =).

Hopefully this will get you close.


I guess if you want to record using the mbox preamp(s), you will plug your mic into the mbox xlr input and bypass the mixer altogether. Or, you can record guitar through the mixer -> over to mbox, while also record vocals directly into the mbox. That would be a good solution as well, utilizing the (possibly) superior preamp on the mbox for vocals, while utilizing more connections for guitar and keyboard use.

Hope this helps.

Prince CZAR-ming
Member
Since: Apr 08, 2004


Jan 03, 2009 08:08 am

A couple ideas while re-reading this lengthy tome.

Use a click track. either a cowbell, or drum track of some sort. If / when you record other stuff over top (overdub) of your first tracks, you will want to know exactly where the beat is.

So first thing I do, is to set out the meter for the whole song, and create a drum track, really simple, kick / snare / hihat, to keep me on time through the song. Plug in any time changes you need, so that it's correct.

Record this drum track, or cowbell, into it's own track in PT.

Record your regular material over the click, into new tracks, then mute the click track before you render down your masterpiece.

This slightly time consuming step will pay off handsomely when you're tracking new sources / tracks after the first initial tracks.

You could even use the FX8 to create basic drum parts, if your meter isn't too complex.

Czar of Cheese
Member
Since: Jun 09, 2004


Jan 03, 2009 08:16 am

Great couple of posts, PJK! One thing I was thinking in terms of a click track: he's got an iMac and so he has GarageBand. He could do a really quick and simple click track using one of its many loops!

Prince CZAR-ming
Member
Since: Apr 08, 2004


Jan 03, 2009 10:23 am

yeah, well put. I use FL but from what I've seen of GB, it's got lots of nifty little gadgets and helpers.

Member
Since: Jan 01, 2009


Jan 12, 2009 09:42 pm

Hey guys,
I really appreciate all of you who posted a message and attempted to help me out. I am still confused and would really appreciate it if you all would bare with me and help me out. Ok, I just am so confused on what to hook where. I want to use my mixer because I have a keyboard, which is stereo, an acoustic guitar which is another channel and a mic which is another channel so I do not have enough channels on my mbox 2, to hook everything up, and I dont want to have to fool around with plugging and unplugging instruments when I want to record. So here is what I understand. I know my guitar goes in channel 1 of the mixer, and my mic goes in channel 2 of the mixer. One person posted a nice article, but said I might need an adapter to connect rca to input or something, but I dont think I need to have those cables. I am not sure, but I dont think I do. Anyways, so if I plug my keyboard into channels 7/8 on my yamaha MG82cx mixer, I think that is right? then monitor speakers. Do they go in the stereo inputs on my mixer? then what should I do. Connect two cables from what inputs on the mixer to what inputs on the mbox2. Also, if I have my monitor speakers in the stereo inputs on my mixer, should I not have anything plugged into the Mon Out on the back of the mbox2? The other thing is, is that when I open up pro tools, and create tracks, when I click the record enable button on one of the tracks, it peaks all the way and I have no clue what to do. I went to guitar center and the guy said I have a feedback look. Anyways, sorry to bother you all, and I really appreciate everybody who attempts to help me hook my equipment up. If you guys could just go step by step and be specific with me, it would be appreciated. Anyways, all the best. Take care.

Czar of Midi
Administrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002


Jan 13, 2009 08:29 pm

Your monitor's will plug into the Mon out of the Mbox 2.

If your only using channels 1 and 2, then you can plug the keyboard into 3 and 4, no need to go to 7/8 unless you really want to.

And yes, it sounds like You have a feedback loop. Make sure you don't have any of the line outputs from the Mbox 2 going back into the mixer.

Member
Since: Jan 01, 2009


Feb 02, 2009 02:55 pm

Hey, thanks to all who tried to help me. I was wandering if someone could help me with how much each knob should be turned up. When I just want to play and not record, I want to play fairly loud on my piano and I always peak. Can someone tell me how high to set each channel knob on my mbox, the monitor knob on my mbox, and then the gain knobs on my mixer, the channel knobs on my mixer, and the stereo knob on my mixer, so I can get the most volume without peaking. Thanks.

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