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I have a yamaha s90es and i was wondering which recording program is more beneficial for my keyboard, cubase 4 or logic 8.

I was also wondering how this is recorded? (i.e quarter inch to 3.5mm-headphone jack?)

thanks a bunch

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Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002

Oct 14, 2008 09:44 pm

Honestly if you want to get the most out of the recording a decent audio interface could be had for under $100 these days.

Most onboard sound chips are not able to do any type of multi tracking which is what I would assume you are going to be doing.

But you have Stereo output from the S90 so you would want a cable that will have 2 1/2" jacks going form the S90 to a mini stereo jack that would go to the onboard sound card if you go that route.

As for the recording program. Both of those are pretty heavy learning curves and are not cheap.

I'll ask this though, are you well versed with a software recording program? Also, how much editing and how many tracks are you looking to do? What type of music are you going to record?

This might help get you into a program more suited for what you are trying to do.

Member
Since: Oct 10, 2008

Oct 14, 2008 09:53 pm

i am looking to record maybe a piano sound, and then add to it an orchestra sound, and maybe a bass. at the maximum i would have 6 or 7 tracks mixed together...which route would you recommend? if so, do you have a link to the equipment i would need??

thanks again,

matt

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002

Oct 14, 2008 10:07 pm

Hey Matt, if that is the case I think you might bet along well with something in the lines of Cakewalks Sonar Home Studio.

www.cakewalk.com/Products/HomeStudio/English/

There is an XL version of that as well that comes with some extra goodies. You can simply click the link at the top for DAWs and choose the XL page to view the differences.

But it is an easy to learn program and is a very budget minded program as well. But Cakewalk offers one of the best upgrade situations around so if you find after using it for awhile you want something bigger like the flagship Sonar 8 Studio or Producer edition the upgrade is very reasonable.

I use Sonar 8 Producer edition and have used their software since the very first sequencer software they made way back in the day.

AS for an audio interface you can either go PCI with something like the M-Audio Delta 2496 or the ESI Juli@ which would give you 1/4" to 1/4" connections on both ends and eliminate any adapter mess in the end.

www.esi-audio.com/products/julia/

These are simple 2 channel interfaces and are very reliable and easy to install and use.

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Since: Oct 10, 2008

Oct 17, 2008 05:48 pm

awesome!! now this would keep my original sounds im using on my keyboard correct??

thanks a bunch

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002

Oct 17, 2008 09:19 pm

Yes, recording it all that way will keep the original sounds from the S90. It will be all audio track instead of recording the midi data and using a software synth.

Member
Since: Oct 10, 2008

Oct 17, 2008 09:30 pm

all i have is a laptop tho, without a PCI slot, is there an alternative to that?

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002

Oct 17, 2008 09:53 pm

Yep, there are several USB connected interfaces that work pretty much just as well. You can look into some from M-Audio or even ESI has a few now that are good as well.

I'm a bit short on time tonight, but if you haven't found something by tomorrow late afternoon, I'll post a couple of links for you to look into.

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Since: Oct 10, 2008

Oct 18, 2008 09:18 pm

would something like this work in sync with sonar 7??

www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/FastTrackPro/

thanks!!

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002

Oct 18, 2008 10:12 pm

That would be perfect. It is actually one of the units I was going to recommend.

I do however suggest that if you do purchase that unit, or any USB unit you go to the manufacturer's web site and down load the latest driver set-up for it as well. It will save some headaches as we all know microslop is constantly making changes and its hard to keep the drivers updated sometimes.

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Since: Jul 02, 2003

Oct 18, 2008 10:16 pm

Yes the FastTrackPro is a good interface and will work fine with Sonar. However since you were considering Logic, I have ask are using a PC or Mac? If you have a Mac, Sonar is PC only so you'd need to look at Cubase or one of the other Mac compatible programs for your recording needs.

Dan

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Since: Oct 10, 2008

Oct 19, 2008 01:27 pm

Man you guys rock, such fast answers!

in regards to olddogs post, i am using a PC..i realized after a few posts in that logic 8 was for mac only. so now that i am purchasing sonar i will be ok :)



oh, outside of the usb interface, this may come across as a dumb question, but is it possible to recording using sonar going from a quarter inch to the headphone jack of my computer?? (obviously with a converter)

but i was just wondering if it is possible to do this recording without the interface? (probably not, but i just thought i would ask...)

Thanks again guys, i really do appreciate the timely responses.

Matt



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Since: Jul 02, 2003

Oct 19, 2008 02:05 pm

You can use the builtin audio but it may work less than satisfactory and you'll start running into latency issues after a few tracks. Look for the line-in and mic input on your computer. You'll probably also need an adapter to go from the 1/4" to 1/8" jack on the computer. Use the line-in for your keyboard.

Dan

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Since: Oct 10, 2008

Oct 19, 2008 05:54 pm

ok, so...i now have sonar 7.

being a noob at this, im trying different things out in line with what you are saying olddog...

i have the program open, and i am trying to get audio to come through. i am currently connecting one end of a quarter inch cable to my computer's mic input (via converter to that size). the other end i cannot figure out where it goes...


the back of my keyboard has these inputs and outputs:

A/D Input (L & R)

Output (L/mono & R)

Assignable Output (L & R)

i wish i had you pros here to help me out...i can lay down wonders on this keyboard, now only if i could record them :(

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002

Oct 19, 2008 05:55 pm

Yep, OD is correct for sure. The on board sound card will run into problems pretty quickly as you stack up a couple tracks.

They are not made for the kind of task and will choke out rather quickly. Most are not meant to do both playback and recording at the same time.

Member
Since: Oct 10, 2008

Oct 19, 2008 05:59 pm

what if i were just to record one track??

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002

Oct 19, 2008 06:04 pm

if the mic input is mono, I'd use the mono L/Mono output from your keyword...

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002

Oct 19, 2008 06:31 pm

I think you might be OK to record a few tracks, but it really depends on the speed of the CPU, the amount of RAM avaiable and the sound card all together.

You can look and if it is a Realtek chipset for your sound card you might get a few tracks. If it is an AD or Analog Devices sound chip you might have a bit more stability going to maybe 4 or 5 tracks. But that is going to be the upper limit.

Stranger things have happened though, and some folks have actually gotten several track going and working OK. But that is not the norm for those chips.

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Since: Oct 10, 2008

Oct 19, 2008 06:39 pm

thanks noize.

any other tips on how to get the computer and sonar to communicate with each other??

ultimately i am going to buy the fast track pro...however right now i am just trying to get this program to work and see if i can record one track..

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