Mar 03, 2003 03:10 pm www.loc.gov/copyright/
The US government copyright office, if you are not in the US it myay be useless to ya tho.
Importance of copywrighting
Posted on Mar 03, 2003 03:06 pm
Cleamon Jones
Member Since: Dec 31, 2002
I dont play any live gigs, but I often post my music on the web. Is it important to copywright my material and if so how do I go about it.
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Mar 03, 2003 03:10 pm www.loc.gov/copyright/
The US government copyright office, if you are not in the US it myay be useless to ya tho.
Mar 03, 2003 03:26 pm in that case, look to the Canadian gov't offices for guidance.
Mar 03, 2003 03:34 pm Be carefull! It's punshible by law to understand the law prior to passing the bar! Those who attempt to explain law in understandable terms are de-barred! One has to prove the ability to author increadably incomprehensible material to be re-barred which is increadably expensive to prepare for at the bar!
Mar 03, 2003 03:46 pm Oh Beauty Aey! I like your bars better anyway!
Mar 03, 2003 09:36 pm Ya, we could take Walt to see You Know Who at Toohees on 93X nite. And he could meet the X girls......
Mar 03, 2003 09:38 pm I have more respect for walt than that...
Mar 03, 2003 09:54 pm Woah, slow down. Maybe Walt would like to see X girls. Sometimes I sees them and I yikes them. I mean thank you for all the respect and all, but you know.....
Mar 03, 2003 11:01 pm See, or maybe we takes him to Hooooooooooooterrrrrrrsssssssss.........
Mar 04, 2003 05:39 am True, the X-Girls themselves are advetised by 93X radio as "super hot and rediculasly underage" ;-) It's the old lady that drives around with 'em that is nasty...er, not nasty, just a lot older than she sounds on the radio :-)
Mar 04, 2003 08:00 am Ok, the picture is evolving in my minds eye! Older might not be bad. You must remember I am a .... let us say .....soiled senior citizen. And yes the Hooooooo ttttttt eeerrrrr's phenona. Have dropped into a few myself. I have always wondered how they stuff those shorts so ... wonderfully! Tried to hire on as a pooper packer in Boulder good home of U of C. No go, the Cornol isn't the only one with a "secret recipe".
Mar 04, 2003 08:14 am OK, maybe "old" isn't the right word, how about "road worn" :-)
Mar 04, 2003 08:42 am Ah yes, the image is yet more clear! Or as pharased in the west, "riden hard and put away wet". I feel a bulge in the envelope. I have an "x" like that. Dresses 23, and from behind still has some alure factor in dim light. But woo to he who invites her to turn around! Fright night!
Mar 04, 2003 05:19 pm OK Walt, www.93x.com/showdj.asp?DJID=1896 this should take ya right to her page for the radio station she works for now. Believe it or not she is my age, I went to school with her and dated her little sister for awhile. She used to look great, but al-*** things do have a tendancy to fall off abit with age, or over use. The took down the pics of her ina leather bikini and what not. I may still have copys of them on the box here, if I find em I'll post em at my website for ya to see. If ya scroll all the way down on her page, there is her photo album which used to have tons of pics and now only 2, and the snake charmer one is very grizzly indeed as dB said. She has not aged well at all.
Mar 04, 2003 10:19 pm Yow! On the beers scale about a 20! I would definately have to drink quite a few before draging that home! The clevage shows quite a bit of gravitional effect. Cooper's droop done dropped! Look who's talkin! I'm not exactly material for a chipendale catalog anymore either. More like an chunkendale!
Mar 04, 2003 11:19 pm Yep, shes a doosy, or should I say shes now a dontsy. Either way, she was hot in the day. Now she is just having hot flashes. It would definately take at least 20, and a fifth of Jim Beam.
Mar 05, 2003 02:12 am Copyright on the internet is mostly governed by the Berne Convention.
www.law.cornell.edu/treaties/berne/overview.html
Under the Berne Convention, your material is theoretically protected the instant it is created. It is, of course, to your benefit to register the copyright, even if you do such a thing as a 'poor mans' copyright registration.
W.
Mar 05, 2003 05:16 am Just curious, has the "poor mans" copyright ever once held up in any actual court of law? I would highly doubt it...I kinda look at that as the ultimate urban legend for the musician, it may make you feel good, but I doubt it would actually help anyone from getting their music stolen.
But I might be wrong.
Mar 05, 2003 10:13 am The only people I hear talk about the poor mans approach do just that....talk about it. They are the folks that are always "gonna" do it. The people that I know that "do it" fill out the forms, register, you know follow the steps. The poor mans approach is kinda like a quaint little conversation to be had mid way through a bar sitting somewhere between coherent and uncoherent. Most end up in some drunken rant about government, big brother, I remember when I outran the cops etc.
Mar 05, 2003 12:12 pm db, I've never once heard of the "poor man" method holding up in court. Although, I've also never know anyone to actually go into court over this with a sealed envelope containing a cassette or CD of the music inquestion. My assesment has always been that if you want to protect your music, you have to do it right. But I would be lying if I said I've never had a couple of those envelopes sitting in the bottom of a desk drawer somewhere.
Mar 05, 2003 12:20 pm Music law is hard enough doing it the right way. Even people that do it right get screwed. intellectual property alwasy has been, and always will be a very grey area in law.
Mar 06, 2003 07:07 pm I've personally sat in on over 200 cases wherein the 'poormans' approach worked 100%.
W.
Mar 07, 2003 05:21 am Seriously? I am stunned, but that is good news.
Mar 07, 2003 06:55 am The Real Waldo...
What cases did you sit in on? Are you a lwayer or working in the music business?
Could you elaborate please, I'm curious?
Could you also outline the best 'poor man's method' if, as you say, it can work?
Many thanks.
Mar 07, 2003 06:59 am Essentially all the poor mans copyright is is mailing a tape of the music to yourself and not opening the package when it gets to you. The theory is that then the music has a postmark with the date, thereby proving the music is your, created by you on such and such a date.
or that is what I make of it.
Hey Waldo, I would like some more info on that as well...
Mar 07, 2003 04:10 pm "Are you a lwayer or working in the music business?"
Nah, waldo is just hiding in the court room so we can look for him. Can you see him? he's wearing red and white stripes.
hahaha.
Sorry, just had to add a wheres waldo joke in there :)
Mar 07, 2003 04:10 pm "Are you a lwayer or working in the music business?"
Nah, waldo is just hiding in the court room so we can look for him. Can you see him? he's wearing red and white stripes.
hahaha.
Sorry, just had to add a wheres waldo joke in there :)
Mar 07, 2003 04:44 pm I am in the industry, and have sat in on many cases, as I have said.
A poor mans copyright should be extended BEYOND just a SASE. It's a common mistake many make.
Once it is mailed to yourself, place it in a safety deposit box at a reputable banking institution. Each entry into that safety deposit box is recorded, and you can have a bank manager sign to say you only placed objects into it, and did not remove any. When it comes time to make your case, you get an official letter from the bank manager, with a COPY of the material in the box (DO NOT TAKE IT OUT OF THE BOX UNLESS THE COURT REQUESTS IT).
With the multiple layers of 'evidence' that the content was yours, it cannot be contested unless the defendant of your claim can provide equivalent evidence to the contrary.
Generally, most claims go to 'small claims' court, unless a person has benefited immensely from your works (i.e., Metallica rips you off). You won't win any major money, but the offending party is at risk of further penalty if they continue to infringe (including jail time in extreme cases).
If you sue one person for infringement successfully, generally, no-one else will touch your works (for at least a while).
W.
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