Another story of losers
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Posted on Jul 15, 2008 12:31 pm
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disgusting...I dunno who are the bigger pussies, the 6 punk *** bitches that attacked a dad protecting his 12 year old girls from sexual assault, or all the pussies that HAD to be right around there and did nothing to kick the living **** out of those punks.
If I had seen this happen, I'd have been eyeing up other guys in the area and attacking...I've had to do it before...it sucks, but damnit, people HAVE to stand up to this ****.
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BeerHunterwww.TheLondonProject.caMember
Since: Feb 07, 2005
Jul 15, 2008 12:54 pm Don't know what to say. This sort of thing is terrible to read about. I hope they get some serious time but somehow I doubt it. At least not here in Canada. They would get something like 6 months suspended sentence and 3 years probation. It is really sick. However, at least they have initiated a 3 strikes program to thwart off repeat offenders. Some of these guys have hundreds of convictions...HUNDREDS!! Not much will change unless the punishment increases IMO.
Jul 15, 2008 12:58 pm Agreed, but it seems they are already out on bail...bastards. It seems the judicial system never does enough, with crowded jails, and of course you can't over crowd, they have their rights after all!
It seems to me it's getting to a point where society has to take care of it ourselves...like dog packs, if there is a pack of dogs that act like those people, other packs of dogs would take core of the problem, we need to do that too.
BeerHunterwww.TheLondonProject.caMember
Since: Feb 07, 2005
Jul 15, 2008 01:02 pm Yes, we need to get to a point where the don't want to be out on bail. A point where it is safer for them to be in jail. I would love to see chain gang type punishment. Screw the comfy jail cells with TV.... make 'em dig holes.
CptTrippsCzar of Turd PolishMember
Since: Jun 20, 2006
Jul 15, 2008 01:02 pm See, I trained in wrestling\grappling for about 12 years and know I can defend myself pretty darn well, along with the rage of someone grabbing my daughter I could probably hurt someone really bad with my hands. But, when assaulted by six men,that would be the time I am happy I own a gun and tought my wife to shoot. That man could have died very easily.
Jul 15, 2008 01:22 pm I just can't believe that the guy called his buddies in, and they came for that.
I mean, what did he say to them? "Hey man, some guy won't let me molest his daughter. Let's get him." !?!
And for six of them to sneak up behind him, and attack in that fashion. What kind of sick bastards do that?
Even if that guy owned a gun, and had it on him. He didn't stand a chance.
Screw the three strike rule on this one. On something this violent, bring on the death penalty.
BeerHunterwww.TheLondonProject.caMember
Since: Feb 07, 2005
Jul 15, 2008 01:29 pm ...but see that is part of the problem (and I'm speaking of here in Canada). There is no death penalty. The longest sentence is 25 years. If you really want to see how bad things are, check out the Karla Hamolka/Paul Bernardo case. There is a couple of really sick people and Karla is already out of jail (served 12 years).
Currently we have no three strikes rule. They are just trying to pass the law now.
Jul 15, 2008 01:31 pm I'm by no means a violent person, and generally do everything possible to stay out of fights, but if I saw that I think I would have had to step in. That's just ****** up, that's all there is to it.
CptTrippsCzar of Turd PolishMember
Since: Jun 20, 2006
Jul 15, 2008 01:38 pm On the gun comment, I don't carry it on me in a holster or anything. Nothing wrong with having one in your car though, one the wife could have at least fired into the air. Would have stood a better chance.
Jul 15, 2008 01:52 pm I don't know Cpt. Around here in Philly the big thing has become taking your gun from you when you try to use it.
it the same thing as in this story. A group attacks, not just an individual.
And it seems as if they are looking for you to draw on them. That way, they can kill you, and sell your gun.
Wee, the sick fun times we live in!
cooloFrisco's Most UnderratedMember
Since: Jan 28, 2003
Jul 15, 2008 02:25 pm What the eff man. That is some ***** made moves. Calling in friends. You can't fight dude one on one? You need seven more people. You call them on your cell phone? This thing bums me out. I will say if some dude groped my daughter in front of me that guy would not have time to call friends, because we would be having it out right then and there.
Jul 15, 2008 03:01 pm Tripps, even if you have a gun, if they sneak up from behind, or are closer than 20 or so feet, there is a slim chance you'd even get a shot off before you are ganged up on...hand to hand combat training should be essential for everybody to some degree...I am a big fan myself...I am not worried about self defense much in a hand to hand situation, but at the same time, that movie style Jackie Chan/Chuck Norris **** isn't real, you got six guys on ya, all the training in the world will only do so much good.
Luckily, sometimes you bounce one or two heads off the concrete, the varmints will scatter...sometimes...
BeerHunterwww.TheLondonProject.caMember
Since: Feb 07, 2005
Jul 15, 2008 03:41 pm Quote:
you got six guys on ya, all the training in the world will only do so much good.
Training will also tell you when to *run* too. Of course you can't really run in a case like this... speaking more generally
Jul 15, 2008 03:47 pm True, BH, that situation, if the chance was there "RUN" should be the first instinct...and with people like this wrestling/grappling does virtually zero good...those skills are worthless against multiple opponents, if you can't run, you need to start gouging eyes, punching throats and breaking joints...not the fancy-schmancy Jackie Chan ****, it's survival...
But damn, you get 6 pansies *** gangsta wannabe punks sneaking up behind you, I don't care who you are, you are going down. And his wife and child watched it happen...very, very sad, I know how much it hurt my daughter just to watch our neighbor get up in my wife's face, I can't imagine the affect on that kid watching her dad beat like that.
BeerHunterwww.TheLondonProject.caMember
Since: Feb 07, 2005
Jul 15, 2008 03:58 pm I wonder if this guy (victim) was being too nice. He was able to get him off of his daughter but then he somehow turned his back on the situation. It should not have been a surprise to him like that. How/why did he get in a situation where he had his back to the attacker?
Don't get me wrong, not knocking the victim, just trying to learn from it. I guess he assessed the situation incorrectly. That mistake could have gotten them all killed.
Jul 15, 2008 04:00 pm The way I heard it on one news source is that the attack happened a bit after the original confrontation, so his gaurd may have been dropped.
Anybody tries that on my young daughter, he'd be trying to call friends with a broken arm...
This happened at a park about 10 miles from my house so it's being covered on multiple sources, it's pretty well known that around 5-6 PM, these little gangs of thugs start coming in to the place until closing...which is late into the night...so if you go with families, go early, leave early.
BeerHunterwww.TheLondonProject.caMember
Since: Feb 07, 2005
Jul 15, 2008 04:16 pm Quote:
Anybody tries that on my young daughter, he'd be trying to call friends with a broken arm...
I guess that is what my point above was.
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so if you go with families, go early, leave early.
and don't ever let your guard down.
You know, I was brought up with a lot of street sense. Out on my own at 16 y/o etc. To this day I always keep an eye on a "way out". Until I had kids I had always thought I was being paranoid. Not anymore. Now I'm glad I have that raaised awareness.
Life is not the same anymore. Never ever let your guard down.
Jul 15, 2008 04:36 pm Ya, my martial arts instructor refers to as Environmental awareness.
Never park out of way when you are with your family. Always keep one eye over your shoulder. Settle confrontations up front and right away.
And if the situation feels funny, it probably is.
Jul 15, 2008 04:37 pm my instructor says "strike first, strike hard, strike often"
as far as awareness goes, it should be just simple common sense, that inner voice is wise, if you listen to it.
zekthedeadcowEat Spam before it eats YOU!!!Member
Since: May 11, 2002
Jul 15, 2008 06:09 pm well.. the thing with guns in a life threatening event is not:
"Stop! or I'll shoot!"
its more of a
#bang# #bang# #bang# "Don't move" #bang#
But six guys, even with a gun is steep odds...
But the 'army term' "Situational Awareness" needs to be always on - to an extent...too much and its PTSD.
Talked to a ex Vietnam Era SF guy over the weekend (his old buddies got their obituaries in Soldier of Fortune 'working' in Angola) He had to leave after the balloon animal artist started working... and balloons popped.
Jul 16, 2008 08:42 am Well, it turns out a few ladies jumped in to help this guy, one got punched right square in the face, which earned the puncher a MISDEMEANOR assault charge...they are all (except the one that got away) charged with felony assault on the guy.
Many of these characters have criminal histories and still had low bail and got out. Very little coverage of this any more, TV news didn't even mention it that I saw, but then, Valleyfair runs ads on their stations...nice, huh?
Two of them have prior felonies regarding bringing prostitution to rural counties...2 prior misdemeanor assault on one...one with a prior weapons charge...one escaped custody and has a gross misdemeanor disorderly conduct...
Swell guys their mothers are raising, real productive members of society.
BeerHunterwww.TheLondonProject.caMember
Since: Feb 07, 2005
Jul 16, 2008 11:00 am Quote:
Swell guys their mothers are raising, real productive members of society.
I'm gonna take a guess and say that their mothers are just as productive to society.
Hats off to the two ladies that tried to help. They may have saved his life.
CptTrippsCzar of Turd PolishMember
Since: Jun 20, 2006
Jul 16, 2008 01:00 pm Once again, I have a gun in my car. If I was getting jumped by 6 guys in a parking lot and there was fear for my life (there obviously was in this case), I don't think my wife would have any problem pulling it out to fire. This guys wife was in the clear and could have done the same. Sure there are situations where one would not help, this does not seem like on to me.
Alas, I don't carry it for these purposes. We do alot of hiking and camping in these parts, right along with the bears. That is the reason we carry it. I would gladly accept a beatdown rather than shoot someone. I stand very strong by the "fear of life" reason for ever pulling out a gun.
Jul 16, 2008 01:13 pm Yeah, agreed, if you pullout a gun, you BETTER be ready to use it, and know how to, if either of those conditions are not met you can bet it will be taken away and be used on you...
That said, carrying guns isn't that common around the area of this park, as we are suburban community, mostly rural though not "country" and violent crime like this, while it does happen, is not at all common...now, get up more toward the twin cities, yeah, carrying is much more common. This park is in a very rural community...not even the womens prison in that town has a wall around it, it's a perimeter of shrubberies.
BeerHunterwww.TheLondonProject.caMember
Since: Feb 07, 2005
Jul 16, 2008 01:28 pm Carrying guns is something I'm not used to. Here in Canada things are quite a bit different in that regard.
CptTrippsCzar of Turd PolishMember
Since: Jun 20, 2006
Jul 16, 2008 01:29 pm Yeah, sounds like it was just an oddity. I grew up in a town of a few thousand and once in awhile the trash would suprise us with how ****** they can be.
Jul 17, 2008 09:00 am Now it comes out that on Tuesday in ST. Paul 5or 6 young punk bitches attacked a metro transit bus driver putting him in the hospital, then, in Noize's hometown somebody burned up 6 specially equiped vans for physically challenged folks at a factory in town that builds them...one of the only in the country...two of the vans were completed and ready to go to their owners...
I weep for the next generation of people that will be running the country when I am retired...
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jul 19, 2008 04:28 pm Like I've said before. Its time for us to form lynch mobs. Not necessarily to take them out, well OK maybe to take out the real bad jerks. But maybe put the fear of god back into society. Those punks might think twice if they know there are large groups of folks who will take them out if needed.
This country needs a huge rebellion since the police and government don't seem to want to do anything about it. Maybe we simply should start taking matters into our own hands and erase them from the face of the planet. Government and police would be helpless against it if there were enough of the public involved in it.
