Jul 02, 2008 02:42 pm Darn you goverment computer!!! Darn you soundclick!!!
I can't listen.... :(
Does this sound like old school country
Posted on Jul 02, 2008 02:31 pm
BushmasterM4
Member Since: Nov 13, 2007
Had a classic country trio come out and do some recording. I work with two of the members (long time friends). Anyway the first is Texas Plains, which has some very good yodal in it. Second is Jingle Jangle Jingle. They are wanting that classic Gene Autry vibe and I hope its there. The first tune the singer wanted to use his 40 year old Sears vocal mic. Well it really stinks. So on Jingle Jangle Jingle we switched to a Shure 58. Those vocals sound better. These are rough mixes and, basically a practice session for them. It had been a few weeks since they played and the singer was not feeling well. They are coming back in a few weeks to spend the day recording. I just have never mixed classic country. So let me know if the old,old style recording was acheived. That sort of flat type sound (I guess you would say). They liked the rough mixes, so I guess thats all that matters. Theres a little bit of noise (I can hear it), that appeared during the mp3 conversion. So disregard it (if you can hear it). I did a quick render and it can cause artifacts. Anyway enjoy and let me know if I am one the right track. Links below.
Texas Plains
www.soundclick.com/util/g...684520&q=hi
Jingle Jangle Jingle
www.soundclick.com/util/g...684539&q=hi
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Jul 02, 2008 02:42 pm Darn you goverment computer!!! Darn you soundclick!!!
I can't listen.... :(
Jul 02, 2008 03:17 pm I wish I could yodal. My kids listened and were like "what the heck"
Jul 02, 2008 06:04 pm This song is so far out of my comfort zone I really have no idea but it seems to me however that the bass needs to sound more like an upright and some record scratchs would make it sound authentic. It seems strange hearing something like this without clicks and pops.
Oh, and old recordings were done in mono.
Jul 02, 2008 06:52 pm Yea, the mono thing was mentioned elsewhere. I was like duh. I think once we do the actual recordings (not practice session), Im gonna ask about the panning. They may want to keep the stereo feel and just more the vibe. The comfort zone thing is correct. I grew up with this music, so I know it. But to record it when I like hard rock is another. But, as long as they are paying :) The Bass has to stay electric. Would be nice to have an upright. And the guitar will be electric. Just trying to get that vibe.
Oh yea I could put in pops and clicks :)
Jul 02, 2008 08:04 pm Another suggestion is a little verb, I don't suspect they close mic'd much back in the day. Give it some air maybe?
Jul 02, 2008 08:14 pm ... for the bass...trying boosting around 2.5K (around there, mess with it)with a Q of 4 to bring out some of the attack. That might help it a bit. Like Tripps mentioned, there seems to be a lot of room sound in old country recordings. They probably just stuck a mic in the middle of the room and went for it. My guess would be that they had week signals to start with but I'm guessing on that.
Jul 02, 2008 08:33 pm Mic in the middle of the room might be something to try honestly. Get the guitar and bass levels balanced and toss another mic in for close vox. Would be a really quick test and may be just what they are looking for.
On clicks and pops, just crank the quality and turn down your buffers :) I kid I kid.
Jul 02, 2008 09:04 pm When they come back out, I'll definately set up a few room mics. Or a reverb plugin if the room mics dont help. The bass will be eq'd I agree. The steel and electric need some high end too. Im gonna try and remix these two and add some eq and verb plugins to them. And narrow the spread alot. Hopefully I can get to it friday. Tomorrow is "Blue Oyster Cult". Ive got my cowbell ready. Though its suppose to rain.
Jul 02, 2008 11:49 pm I've listened to a lot of the old cowboy records, and you're on the right track with this. There are two things that stick out to me: First, there are no harmony vocals. That would help a lot. Second, the pedal steel (is that what it is?) doesn't sound right to me. I almost sounds MIDI-like. It needs a little more high end to give it some twang. Also, the old-time country songs all had a big boomy Martin guitar helping out the bottom end. I don't really hear anything like that.
That said, I'm listening to songs for the third time and I'm liking them very much! I'll be anxious to hear what you come up with!
Jim
Jul 02, 2008 11:57 pm Yeah gotta go with Jim, guitar needs to be more dominate in the mix, right now at least to my ears the bass pretty overpowers everything. If you want it to sound old school, things need to be mid-rangy, your on the right track though. :)
Oh and for record sounds, try www.izotope.com/products/audio/vinyl/ <G>
Dan
Jul 03, 2008 12:41 pm The steel player is self taught. We used a Shure 57 on her amp. The amp is a small line 6. She use to use a Peavey Renoun, which has some pot issues. She left it with me to look at (clean). The mix is flat. I didnt eq anything, which Im gonna do. The guitar is a Fender Mustang, running through the clean channel of my JSX. I know they used acoustics in those days, but they want to use all electric. Plus the original probable didnt have steel either :). And an upright bass was used. I'll post new mixes in a few days and and Im gonna add some background noise too. Scratches and pops. We have rain all day here and the BOC concert is outside. Also after the concert its the Red, White and Boom firworks show in Columbus. Rain,rain go away. !!!
Jul 04, 2008 08:56 pm This has moments of authenticity. You had the right idea by recording everything flat. If you want the old sound that I think you're looking for, don't add any EQ, and fer Gawd's sake no compression.
Do you really want scratches and pops, or do you want it to sound like a high quality master from the era?
You're on the right course, Bushmaster. Less is certainly more for this bag. Don't overthink it.
Throw a big Mormon quilt over the bass amp and rerecord it.
Mix the tracks to mono, of course.
Jul 05, 2008 12:55 pm Hmmm. I have a few old quilts laying around. I was hoping to get out yesterday and remix, but I wasnt feeling too well. Today is family get together and fireworks :) Thanks for the listen. And keep sending me ideas
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