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ok so I am new at recording,taught myslef, and ive recorded some songs, but im thinking all worng, because ive taken them a few places to get mastered, and they've complained about a few things, like its in mono instead of stereo and apparently stereo is better for my style of music(pop), so i have no idea first off how to sawitch it from mono to stereo, i have cubase LE, and next they say its hard to master a already mixdown track cause if they bring down the vocals the beat will go with it, so all in all, what should I do to be recording properly, so that I can in the end have a professional master it? they say redo it all, hahah all that work!

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Hold 'Em Czar
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May 14, 2008 04:28 pm

pan stuff out to the left and right to make things stereo, there is no switch to go from mono to stereo, stereo means each sides signal is 'different'....mono means both are identical....

it is hard to master a mixed down track, some ppl bring "stems" to the mastering session....this means you have files for say, 'all vocals' and 'all percussion'....these are like sub mixes.

it sounds to me like you need a bit more practice at recording and mixing, these are two separate phases that have nothing to do with mastering (third phase)....the mixing phase is where you should spend the most time...ya can't just bring a rough mix to a mastering house and say 'make it right'...that's not their job.

your tracks should already be sounding as close to perfect as you can before you master. mastering is just a final polish, not an entire re-work.

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May 14, 2008 04:55 pm

ya i am aware that mastering is the finished polish,and im not bringing them a rough mix and saying ""here do it right", and as i said, "I am new with all this and taught myslef, so ya I could use the help with mixing, im fine with recording, but mixing is where im gonna have to educate myslef a little ,the one problem was the mono,they wanted stereo, and how to send it to em, but u answered that for me, basically need to bring things in seperatly, which is what i figured, but wanted to make sure..im also gonn have to educate myslef on paning...also, i am making my beats from loops, so can i just bring in the whole song,(without vocal) or would I have to break that down also?

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May 14, 2008 05:16 pm

i'd break it down as much as i could....keep pitched tracks separate from percussion.....and really if you're gonna spend the money on a mastering house, i'd bring in raw (dry) tracks of everything into a studio that will mix for you...could save you a bunch of time (which equals money).

what are your goals for these songs? are you lookin' to make a cd to sell? promote? radio? myspace? or just for your own personal amusement?

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May 14, 2008 06:21 pm

thanks for youre help...I really appreciate it..well its been a goal of mine since ..well forever, ive always sang, and always wanted to be in music, i just wanna make a cd, its my goal, to have something in music that i can say i did..i may sell locally, im not lookin to be famous, like im not workin to do that, i make music simply because i love to do so, so yah i guess without rambling.. personal reasons...it is quite expensive to master, its more pop grnre so theres alotta vocals...i may not even master it, but the reason i wanted to is because it sounds so different on different speakers, i wanted it to have the same proper sound..and what exactly do u mean by (Raw, dry tracks), like literally everything in peices? they are all loops...

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May 14, 2008 07:24 pm

by raw (dry) tracks, he means no effects on it. dry = without effects. wet = with effects (reverb, compression, eq, etc.)

You could always post some music, if you want some feedback on your mix.

Panning is moving tracks left or right in the mix. If you do this, your mix down will be in stereo (assuming you choose to mix down in stereo). If you're using loops, it is most likely they are already in stereo, and you are just mixing down to mono. You just need to select the proper option (i'm guessing).

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May 14, 2008 08:04 pm

ahhh icic, well that means id have to take all the effects outta my vocals? geez...and if i wanted to pan, i know moving from right and left, but what am i suppost to move more right or left? lead vocals? what? ya the beat is in mono/stero mix, thats what it says anyway..

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May 14, 2008 08:05 pm

ya i may post some tracks so u can see what i mean about the sound, its not right , not smooth...[

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May 14, 2008 08:34 pm

For vocals, I pan depending on how many tracks I'm layering.

1 track, keep it right down the middle. But I might throw some chorus, or stereo delay which will give it a more stereo feel.

1 main vocal with some intermittent backups (i do rap). First vocal pan very slightly one direction and the backups slightly farther in the direction (like 2L and 6R).

2 singing vocals at the same time (for thickness). Pan one 15R and the other 15L. Will play around with the width depending on the track.

Etc. There is no hard rule. Experiment, is what I say.

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May 14, 2008 09:08 pm

oh ok icic, ya i do pop so theres lotsa vocals, like on one chorus, i can have say 6 tracks of vocals just on that, i really like alotta harmonizing vocals...but basically some on right some on left then, icic...thanks for youre help!, I did send u an email about ur tunes, i want a copy, that was me...

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May 15, 2008 08:08 am

What are you using to listen to your recordings? I ask this as you need to hear your tracks "move" as you pan them. Please don't receive this as over-simplistic, I just don't know where you are at in the whole process. As you move the panning on a track left, you should hear the track distinctly comming more from the left than the right. Now, apply this concept to all of the tracks that you record and imagine setting up all the tracks on a stage from left to right. You are looking to create not only a pleasing blend between all of the different volumes of the tracks, but also put different "voices" (vox, guitar, percussion, whatever) in pleasing places on that stage, assembled across it.

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May 15, 2008 12:02 pm

On the final mixdown, make sure you are indeed mixing down to a stereo file and not just bouncing your files to a new mono track. In audition I can do either or and they are treated different. I am unsure if they meant there is no stereo image, or if you gave them a mono file. This may be obvious to you, just thought I'd toss it out.

Oh and in your profile you mentioned a crappy live audix mic. I have an OM2 for live and love it, nothing wrong with using a dynamic in the studio if that's what you got.

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May 15, 2008 12:11 pm

Hey, that's some good advice by Walt.

Muzika, I did not receive your email about the cd. Yikes, that cd I talk about sending in my profile, is way old, and slightly embarrasing for the sound quality. But it would give you an idea of where I started out. Vocals were recorded on a cheap $10 radio shack mic! But if you want, send me another email and I'll send you a copy. Yikes!

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May 15, 2008 02:35 pm

hahaha dont yikes!! its ok, thats why i wanted to hear it, cause im starting out too right, its my 1st cd, so id like to hear sound and stuff lol...AND to listen to my recordinga, just nexxtech computor speakers with small subwoofer, the sound is great on there, but when i put the songs onto a cd and put them on my home theater kenwood speakers, now theres YIKES! it sounds totally different, like the vocals sounded, well not shure how to explain, but i guess like enclosed and a little crackly at times, but on my little computor speakers it sounds great! so I dont know, maybe because they are in mono?? but ya i do hear it going to left when i put it to left and vice versa, so that will help my sound? panning it...ya i have an audix om2 live mic, but i just thought sound would be better with vocals with a good condenser mic..

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May 15, 2008 03:41 pm

as far as it sounding different on different speakers:

your computer speakers are very biased. meaning.. they are made to make your audio sound different. basic near field monitors. (m-audio makes some cheap decent ones) are designed to give you a more "truthful" representation of your mix. It all depends on the room you are listening in too. you dont' have to go all pro audio to get major differences too. a good idea to mix would be to get some cd's similar in style and energy to the music you are mixing. listen to a track on the cd. then mix your mix and try to mimick it. It honestly will develop understanding of how to change your mix. There are some good sites that have some good beginner guides also. hope this helps

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May 15, 2008 03:43 pm

muzika, you might be interested in a blog that I have been writing. I'm taking an Audio Engineering course and blogging about it. You might find some of the the information helpful... at least that is the intent.
Lonnie

beerhunter341.blogspot.com

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May 15, 2008 03:54 pm

great thanks alot guys...

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May 15, 2008 03:57 pm

you know im starting to think its all with mixing, thats where im having my troubles, i need to get educated aloooott more!

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May 15, 2008 04:02 pm

ah ha, i think you're starting to get it.

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May 15, 2008 04:56 pm

thanks, but i need to know alot more, slowly but shurely tho! :)

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May 15, 2008 07:04 pm

I think ya got the yikes part right.

Panning is how stereo is created, although there are two places in the process you can end up with a mono mixdown.

I really don't think I can explain this.

If you were to record everything as a mono track and apply no panning to any of the tracks the resulting mix would be effectively mono.

When you actualy do a mix-down you have a choice of mixing to a mono or stereo track.

To create a stereo mix down, perform panning on you're tracks, giving your song that quality you have heard where some things sound as if they are more to one side or another. Then when you perform a mix-down make sure you choose mix down to stereo.

I really don't want to explain the converse of creating a mono mix down as I feel it will make things confusing.

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May 15, 2008 08:31 pm

ya confusing it is for me who has no idea, i get the panning now pretty much,but my songs are in mono..so deos stereo give it a better sound?

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May 15, 2008 08:52 pm

stereo gives more "air" into the sound, it's more full and spacial if done properly...

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May 15, 2008 09:28 pm

so ya better sound...oh geez "if done properly",exactly, thats what im worried about, ive been slacking, not even wanting to try it, im nervous lol, hopefully i got what u all were saying and i do it right!

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May 15, 2008 09:34 pm

Indeed, a stereo mix makes it sound bigger. Like it is occupying a bigger space. You can make it sound like a bar room or a concert hall simply by placing sounds a bit farther apart from each other in the mix. Reverb can also help that along as well giving more depth and air as dB stated.

As suggested above it is a really good idea to listen to a CD you know very well on the speakers you are mixing with and then try and get your mix to sound similar to that. That is also the best way to learn new monitors also.

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May 15, 2008 10:15 pm

You'll get it just fine I'm sure. It doesn't happen over night, but if you are determined. And you certainly sound like it then it will come in time.

Honestly I made more mistakes when I was younger then I care to admit. But it was actually what gave me some interesting things to follow and experiment with in the long run. so don't worry about trying something different. It might work and if not you simply move along to the next knob or slider.

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May 16, 2008 11:20 am

ya i def. use reverb in my songs..ya im shure i will get it, im just slow heheh...and its my first cd all on my own, so i know that it wont be perfect...

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May 16, 2008 11:43 am

One thing to remember with panning: don't pan an important track drastically to one side. Of course, this would include bass, kick, snare, lead vocal, or any tracks that are important to the basic rhythm or feel of the song. Not only does this have great potential to be annoying - especially when listening on headphones - but if your listener happens to have a malfunctioning speaker, or is seated too far away from one of them, he/she won't be hearing the whole song properly.

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May 16, 2008 01:57 pm

oh ya, so more less the backup vocals then ay, like half and half...the thing is with my beat, its all stuck in the middle because its one track becasue i make my beats in acid, then impot them into cubase, and it becomes then one track of stereo/mono..

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May 16, 2008 10:21 pm

OK, we might be onto something there as well with the Acid thing.

Make certain in Acid that when you export the beat to do it as a Stereo Wav file. That might be a part of the mono problem right there.

Acid will allow panning of the instruments in you beats as well so have a look at that also.

We'll get you cooking some great stuff soon. Just keep telling us what it is you do and what software and such yo are doing it with.

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May 17, 2008 01:25 pm

ok, but it would have to be seperate tracks then right, the beats that is, like the bass, the beat, and so on? there is a way to do that? I will have to read up in acid...thanks

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May 17, 2008 02:55 pm

also, when i wanna export a song outta cubase, like when its exported and in another floder, i get it twice, one that says the title with L and another with R...why am I getting a left and right one...why arent i just getting one song???

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May 17, 2008 05:30 pm

ok...IM SO FRUSTRADED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i did some panning and volume adjusting and what not to one of my songs to try it out, and it sounds amazing on my computor speakers..just awsome! again, i was like YES!!!, then i burned it onto a cd and played it on my big way better quality kenwoods,and OH MY GOD, it sounds like ****!!!!!!!!!!!!! the vocals they just sound scratchy or something, maybe im not explaining it right, but what the hell is it!? there must be a reason...but it sounds so awsome on my computor speakers!!

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May 17, 2008 08:49 pm

make sure when you export it you use the "stereo interleaved" option and i think by memory its a "wav.file" you want for the file type.
i could be wrong bout the file type though.

also make sure you, (towards the bottom section there) tick the boxes automation and what not.
this will make sure it gets all the effects and stuff you had in your project.
if you dont tick these boxes it wont export em. maybe that's why it sounds scratchy etc.
Usually they are always just ticked anyway though.
check em out.

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May 17, 2008 09:21 pm

oh u know i saw that "stereo intervealed" option, but i didnt click that one, maybe thats the problem...thanks alot ill try that...but is that what the L and R is when i export too, like why am i gettin two>

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May 17, 2008 09:36 pm

oh ya that took care of the R_L problem, not sure what it did for sound yet, gotta get a blank cd...thanks alot for that tho!!

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May 19, 2008 07:27 pm

I was just going to say that if you want a good idea about stereo, listen to any recordings through headphones--made after, say, 1966 or so. If you listen to enough different music through then to now, you will have a real good idea of what stereo is and how its changed (that is, the way its applied) over the years. Also, it is indeed possible to accidentally (or on purpose) turn a mix from mono to stereo with the click of a button--I did it the other night when, whilst very tired, I bounced down a mix to a single stereo WAV file, or so I thought. I had been listening to the whole mix in mono to check out a few things, and forgot to switch the mono main mix button back to stereo. I was dismayed to hear a mono mix on the mp3 player the next day . . . . Muzika, get Nelly Furtado's "I'm Like A Bird" on an mp3 player, and listen to the cool sounding synth sound that will be coming out of the right earphone exclusively. It starts at the beginning of each chorus. The best way to figure these things out is to listen to different songs, old and new, and imitate what you like. An example of "old school" stereo separation? Get the Byrds' "Chestnut Mare" and Bread's "Baby Ima Want You" on mp3, and listen closely.

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May 19, 2008 07:36 pm

Will be listening to I'm like a bird tonight, just to check it out now...


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May 19, 2008 10:48 pm

ok I will.. well...i am pannning and all, but im stumped as to why it sounds awsome on my headphones and computor speakers, but like complete crap when i get it onto a cd and listen to it on better bigger kenwoods!

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May 20, 2008 11:48 am

Is your final mix too loud? If your output file is too 'hot' for what consumer electronics (ie. your kenwood system) can handle, that could cause a problem too. Burning a CD with a very high output could cause popping and scratchy vocals on a home system.

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May 20, 2008 01:46 pm

well, if you post some music, we can prolly give you some pointers. Otherwise, it's tough to tell from you description.

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May 20, 2008 05:43 pm

Oh i think TIMEXONE may be right, cause thats exactly what it seems, i hate to post my music when it sounds like that...that may be it, but its real hard to mix the sound right when it sounds perfect on the speaker ur mixing on u know?...maybe imma have to bring in my kenwoods and mix the tracks on those speakers? is that what i should do?

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May 20, 2008 06:15 pm

I agree we need to hear something. It could be straight muddiness from bad EQ, it may just be too hot of a final signal. Hearing it would be beneficial to all I think and probably get you some better\more pertinent info vs. guesswork.

When you play back your song in your multi track, what do the meters of your master max out at? I usually turn it up until the meters are between -3 to -6 at the loudest parts of the song and then use limiting after that.

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May 20, 2008 06:25 pm

we won't laugh at you... too much.

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May 20, 2008 07:44 pm

ya well i guess i can put a song or two up...

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May 20, 2008 07:46 pm

and COOLO, did u see what i wrote last in "talkin smack" about mp3?

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May 20, 2008 08:18 pm

u can only upload ur songs mp3 on here?

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May 20, 2008 08:28 pm

um, pretty much anywhere...

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May 20, 2008 08:32 pm

OK i added 2 songs, although i hate to post when the sound is crap, but hopefully this will give u guys an idea of what the hell im doing wrong...
It really is probly the output but i cant tell with these damn speakers...but anyway, the song "Don't stop", I did some panning on it, but some parts are louder, like the chorus when i changed the pitched of my vocals, but the song "Don't worry", I didnt do any panning to it or anything, but really they sound the same almost when i play 'em on my kenwoods, "Don't stop" is a little less scratchy cause I did some panning......

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May 20, 2008 10:22 pm

I'm not sure what you were worried about. The mp3 doesn't sound too bad at all. It sounds like you got the panning thing going on the first one Don't Stop.

There are probably a couple things that you could tweak but overall its not that far out on the mix at all.

I have to ask, are you east coast? I do a lot of work for several DJ's east of here and that track has a similar feel to the club tracks I do with several of them.

Anyway, lots of stuff going on there. Very good for the dance floor for sure.

I'll have to give the other track a listen tomorrow.

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May 20, 2008 11:25 pm

thanks NOIZE..well ill take that as a compliment, but really u dont hear the scratchyness type thing.. ya thanks to u guys i got the panning thing thanks alot! i appreciate it..I am from the toronto area, all my music is original...lemme know what u thought i should tweak please i would appreciate youre imput..ya the 2nd song, i havent done any panning yet...

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May 21, 2008 01:14 pm

It sounds to me as if the songs are distorting from being too loud. First things first I would say turn down each individual part. I've never used cubase, but if there is a little loudness meter, you want to make sure it doesn't go into the red. Don't worry if the song is not as loud as radio songs or commercial cd songs yet. You can make sure it gets that loud when it's time to master the track.

I think what you're describing as scratchiness is distortion (aka clipping) due to being too loud.

Anyhow, aside from that, how critical, how much feedback would you like?

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May 21, 2008 01:31 pm

ya there is a loudness meter,and its not going near the redness...I will try and turn them down anyway, but u can give me feedback, but i dont need u completely trashing my music if thats where ur headed..i cant listen to ur music, cause my sound is messed right now...

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May 21, 2008 02:31 pm

well, I wasn't planning on completely trashing it. I was going to try and give constructive feedback, however, I know some people get defensive, and I wanted to see your level of sensitivity before I started...

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May 21, 2008 02:40 pm

well, i do have a level of sensitivity about my music, i worked very hard,and its an extension of me, but i dont mind some constructive feedback, as long as its not overboard, meaning as long as its helpful information that I can use to better my sound quality rather than negative personal opinions on the music itself, Its difficult also when ur giving constructive critisism over the computor, people can misconstrue things because its so impersonal u know...but thanks for considering my level of sensitivity first i appreciate it..

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May 21, 2008 02:50 pm

there is a big difference between criticising the music and the recording...

big diff between constructive and destructive too, coolo's always constructive...actually, pretty much everybody here is except me. :-)

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May 21, 2008 02:53 pm

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well, i do have a level of sensitivity about my music, i worked very hard,and its an extension of me


Right. Note that this is a Home Recording forum. Nobody here is going to attack your creations! Some may not be fans of any given genre, but we're all here to learn about the craft. Any feedback you are gong to get is going to be based solely on your recording, and not your choice of chords/lyrics etc. As I said, we're all here on this forum to learn, and to improve our own recordings. People can get 'brutal' sometimes of a mix, but it's all about the process, and not the product. I've learned so much from having different ears approach a song. I have a terrible time getting the vocals to sit right (not that I'm a fantastic singer anyway). I'll get a mix going and think it's okay, only to have everyone tell me the vocals are too high in the mix. I never heard it like that, but they were right!
Relax....stay a while....enjoy the ride.
You're doing great!

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May 21, 2008 02:53 pm

why except u, ur constructive!

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May 21, 2008 02:54 pm

cuz I'm an a-hole...ask anybody here.

I've learned to accept it...I'm one of the uncompationate right wing nutjobs that clings to my God and my guns.

Oh, being from Canada you may not get the tongue in cheek reference there...

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May 21, 2008 02:59 pm

ok thanks alot guys, sorry but i am sensitive, i know i gotta learn not too be, i am too hard on myself also,maybe i need to get more self confidence, but becasue i do all my stuff myslef and taught myself im not shure of anything, but i am shure that i do love my music, and i know that people have different taste, just gotta learn to take things not so personally, i am here to learn, and u guys have helped me alot! and I am going to stay a while so i will relax!:) hey im a chick arent we basically all oversensitive!!??? hahahah..

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May 21, 2008 03:01 pm

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hey im a chick arent we basically all oversensitive!!???


Argh, I'm not even touching that with the proverbial 10 foot pole.

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May 21, 2008 03:01 pm

I dont think ur an ******* at all!!! uve been very helpful!...maybe to some but never to me, ...oh where r u from? am i the only canadian here??

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May 21, 2008 03:01 pm

HAHAHAAH smart man

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May 21, 2008 03:02 pm

BeerHunter is a Canuck, not sure but I am sure there are more...I am a Minnesotan, so I'm close to Canadian :-)

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May 21, 2008 03:03 pm

cant swear at all on here ay...*******
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**** hahah blocks it,, thats good tho!

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May 21, 2008 03:04 pm

...that filter is a semi-constant struggle.

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May 21, 2008 03:05 pm

ahhh

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May 21, 2008 03:06 pm

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Argh, I'm not even touching that with the proverbial 10 foot pole.


How about with a 10' gun?

I kid, I kid......


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May 21, 2008 03:06 pm

u know i can only put web cam pics on here, my digi pics wont fit....

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May 21, 2008 03:06 pm

[voice=homer simpson]
mmmmmmmmmm, 10' gun
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If you can optimize your pics, or downsize them, they could fit...most photo software can do that easily.

I don't think we'd ever object to more pics of muzika...

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May 21, 2008 03:08 pm

oh well there are enough pics of me on here i guess anyway , u dont need to see more of me! hehhe just thought id point that out

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May 21, 2008 03:08 pm

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u know i can only put web cam pics on here


Leave it, Herb...Leave it......I mean it.....

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May 21, 2008 03:08 pm

ya again im not too shure how to do that...

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May 21, 2008 03:09 pm

was that a dirty mind thing... i think so... ahahah well u can tell they are cam pics they are fuzzy, **** quality

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May 21, 2008 03:10 pm

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all mods, be on guard for eminent moderation... :-D

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May 21, 2008 03:10 pm

Well at least you got one person on here that doesn't think you're an ******* db! And that's a good start.

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May 21, 2008 03:11 pm

hahaha poor db

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May 21, 2008 03:11 pm

yay! muzika is officially my favorite HRC member now.

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May 21, 2008 03:13 pm

awww well of course!

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May 21, 2008 03:18 pm

COOLO...imma post the song i want u to rap too....its just got my basic vocals there and the empty parts would be u....its called "RAPTURE"...i still have never even heard u yet u know! damn computor, im takin it in at the end of the month..but just have a listen and feel the beat..thanks

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May 21, 2008 03:34 pm

Something tells me Muzika's profile view counter will have to be expanded to allow for extra digits.

dB, get on that.

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May 21, 2008 03:36 pm

I'm all over it...checking with HostPC to up the bandwidth too...

Music is my boyfriend
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May 21, 2008 03:50 pm

what deos that mean???

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May 21, 2008 03:55 pm

....that's just what happens when a Canuck signs up. They get all excited.

Music is my boyfriend
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May 21, 2008 03:58 pm

yes i am french canadian and proud of it!!!

Prince CZAR-ming
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May 21, 2008 04:20 pm

When I went to Wyoming, they all thought I was Canuck, does that count?

ah, never mind. Canadaville has draconian gun laws . . .

=)

Music is my boyfriend
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May 21, 2008 04:26 pm

ya so whats wrong with that... thats a good thing..:)

Answer:On a good day, lipstick.
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May 21, 2008 04:43 pm

Herb, I told you to leave it....

Actually Muzika, you might need to have a quick look around the threads before getting into that particular argument (gun control).

They're not listening.....Tsk....

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May 21, 2008 04:45 pm

meh whatev...u know who started me on this profile thing cause now im addicted to changing my backgrounds and stuff...

Answer:On a good day, lipstick.
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May 21, 2008 04:46 pm

<poke>[dB-Wan/pjk]


Music is my boyfriend
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May 21, 2008 04:47 pm

hahahah what the hells that now?? i feel like the friggen dumb blond here with u guys and ur inside jokes...

Prince CZAR-ming
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May 21, 2008 04:57 pm

eh, he's just 'poking' fun: that dB and I are supportive of the US 2nd Amendment, the one that keeps all our other rights in place.

( he's from England though, so we don't listen much =) )


Answer:On a good day, lipstick.
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May 21, 2008 05:05 pm

That's the amendment that allows them to carry one of these: frontierfolk.org/ky-lr.htm


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May 21, 2008 05:11 pm

oh man, I WISH I had one of those.

That'd keep the guv'ment in check =P.

Seriously, what a cool old piece of hardware.


bace135 in the house tonight!
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May 21, 2008 05:15 pm

musika, I will try and listen once I get off work.

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May 21, 2008 09:07 pm

ok np coolo...

Czar of Midi
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May 21, 2008 10:02 pm

Muzika, I was listening a little on the quiet side last night. I guess I shoulda put on the cans and turned it up. But that can happen when stacking up a few tracks. It can end up overloading the main output buss which will sound like you are describing. That can happen even though your tracks all are not going into the red, it is just the main. So you can try bringing that down first and see if that helps.

The cause is as you load up each new track it adds more volume or level to the main. The tracks by themselves are not loud but added together they end up loud on the main as a whole.

On the Canada thing, especially the French Canadian part. I as well am in MN just a few mile from dB. But I am French Canadian as well so your in good company here. And ya, there are a few other Canucks here besides BH.

On the critic thing. Everyone here with a minor exception on occasion are more then helpful. Sometimes it might get a bit hard to take, but usually it is enlightenment once you take it all in.

On the inside jokes thing. Hang around long enough and you'll get em. But its all about the web cam thing at the moment. Your obviously a hotty so there is going to be a lot of hits on you photo page. I must confess I've been there, more then once. :-) Your the first girl to put up pictures that, well that look like that. Its all good in my book.

Hang out here long enough and you'll be doing great in no time.

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May 21, 2008 11:14 pm

hahahah aww thanks NOIZE... can u see how many hits are on ur profile? ya i will try and turn the volume down on the tracks, but it will be low, and i am not planning on having it professionaly mastered cause well i cant really afford it, so can i fix that in the end? Ya im shure ill clue into the jokes, im new...hhaha
P.s yay french canadians!;p

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May 22, 2008 08:40 am

Holy Crazy Profile Background!

Somebody's been tweakin and playing with her profile look...

If I recall correctly, me thinks viewing the number of hits on a profile page is am HRC Pro feature...

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May 22, 2008 11:48 am

ya hahah i learned how to change the background, i love it imma be doing it alot...how do i do that check counts?

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May 22, 2008 12:21 pm

www.homerecordingconnection.com/membership.php

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May 22, 2008 12:54 pm

I posted a song called "IN TOO DEEP", this song i recorded at myfriends studio, and this is more of the vocal clarity im looking for....

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May 22, 2008 05:20 pm

So, I listened to the tracks. I would say, especially for the ones you recorded yourself, they would benefit from some eq work. I advise that all folks who are new to home recording/mixing should check out this article an old member wrote some time back. It was an epiphany for me...

www.homerecordingconnecti...tory&id=154

I think musically you have some good ideas. The only other thing that really stuck out was (especially on the ones not recorded at your friends, though it was there a little too), it seems to me there are some issues with pitch in relation to the background music.

If you would like me to be more specific, please let me know.

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May 22, 2008 06:03 pm

im kinda still confused about what EQ is...its not turning the volume up and down, then what is it..

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May 22, 2008 06:06 pm

EQ is turning up and down volumes of specific frequency ranges of the sound.

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May 22, 2008 06:08 pm

oh wow i just found where the EQ is on cubase, and i fiddled aorund with it..oh man theres so much i need to learn with this mixing shiz...as i moved the cursor up and down i hear the vocals come up in trebel and volume..but how the heck do i know where they should stand to be good?

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May 22, 2008 06:10 pm

www.homerecordingconnecti...story&id=38

a good primer writen by another buddy of Johns (see prayer request thread) and mine.

www.homerecordingconnecti...story&id=14

about the different types of EQ's

www.homerecordingconnecti...tory&id=390

a recap.

Music is my boyfriend
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May 22, 2008 06:42 pm

u need a crying icon hahah cause thats what i feel like...its overwhelming...

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May 22, 2008 07:04 pm

yeah, it can be, you'll get it tho, hang in there, you are not feeling anything we all haven't at one point or another...

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May 22, 2008 07:29 pm

ya i gotta hang in there because i aint givin up on my cd ..yah know...im just a slow impatient learner thats all!;p...and a bit of a whiner hehehe

Czar of Midi
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May 22, 2008 09:12 pm

Ya, just take a deep breath and read a little bit at a time. Then kind of experiment with it. My first studio experience was at a very young age. Lucky for me I had a very patient guide to help me along. Although he let me make a lot of mistakes he knew that was the best way to learn. He would let me tweak for hours just to hear what I would come up with. In the long run that is what eventually worked with other things I learned to get me to experiment more and try things out of the norm.

But as dB stated it did not happen overnight for any of us really. I've been doing this in one form or another for about 40 years and I still learn something new almost every day.

Music is my boyfriend
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May 22, 2008 10:54 pm

ya ur lucky there to have had a teacher type thing..i know i need to have patience...i was like that i remember when i learned guitar i was 13, i was so impatient hehhe, my teacher said the same as u, it dont happen overnight, im just like that with stuff im passionate about, but yes, i will read and learn and mess around with stuff...ive already learned bunches on here...

bace135 in the house tonight!
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May 23, 2008 01:41 pm

In the next week or two, I will post some of my first recordings (pre hrc) and I will contrast with my most recent recordings. I think it will be a fun excercise.

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May 23, 2008 03:25 pm

Quote:
ya ur lucky there to have had a teacher type thing


I think this computer / internet thing has been the real 'boon' to the industry. Back in Noize's days (chisel & rock, I hear. I heard Noize and Walt had to trade stone tablets to collaborate), analog was the only game in town, and I think a lot of engineers didn't want to teach anybody.

So for us new-er kids on the block, computer and internet can really jump-start a person up to passable engineering quite quick.

I'm not sure I should have said 'passable', but you know what I mean. Fair tracking, fair mixing, fair mastering; enough to make most people happy.


( you guys know i was joking, right ? ? ? )


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May 23, 2008 09:07 pm

Yes pjk, I know your kidding.

It was parchment paper and a stick with black water on it that we used.

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May 27, 2008 12:36 pm

Yeah muzika don't get overwhelmed. Although there are different EQ types and so many different ways to EQ different instruments, you do not need to master them all. You simply need a basic understanding for EQ'n your vocals.

Most likely you would use a parametic EQ and you just need a little understanding of what frequency to tweak for the desired effect.

Look at this chart if you will, mouse over female vocals and you will get a basic overview of what the frequencies relate to in regards to a womans voice.

"www.independentrecording....ain_display.htm

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May 27, 2008 01:23 pm

great thanks CPTTRIPPS!

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May 27, 2008 01:31 pm

i looked at the chart, and it gives me "fullness, presence, sibilance, breath/air", but when i look in m EQ section in cubase, it just shows me "lo, mid lo, hi, " stuff like that, so how do i know whats what here???

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May 27, 2008 01:48 pm

i played around with the volume and the eq's (even tho im not totally up to speed with it) lol, and it totally started to sound better....

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May 27, 2008 01:58 pm

when i first started understanding eq and compression, it was very easy to confuse "different" with "better".

spend time getting to know frequency ranges and what lies in them, when mixing, eq is used to separate tracks so you can hear all of them at the same time with clarity.

it's easy to boost the 10k and say "it sounds more clear", but that's not always the case. read up on eq techniques (here and abroad, and feel free to bring up old threads), the goal is to "eq on purpose", know what you want and why you want it before stumbling on a random setting that 'sounds good'.

load in any mp3 and spend time "sweeping" a parametric eq (both cut and boost) and hear what's where. infact i'd load in a similar sounding commercial song right into my project to give a good perspective of where i should be.

i'll dig up some dirt, gimme a min.


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May 27, 2008 02:03 pm

muzika, you want to find an EQ plugin that shows you the frequency, not just hi/mid/lo shelving...a parametric EQ is my favorite...you can sweep the whole frequency spectrum, focus in on a frequency, and raise or lower to taste.

For me, EQ isn't really about getting any individual sound better or worse, it's about getting each track to not stomp on each other...for example, lowering the bass in tracks that don't ride mostly in that range (i.e. bass guitar, so the bass guitar can shine thru in it's primary frequency range...getting the kick drum sharpest in it's own space...

www.homerecordingconnecti...tory&id=154 is a good article if you haven't read it yet.

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May 27, 2008 02:10 pm

If you are using the EQ on your mixing board then yes you would only have a the few knobs, if you add a seperate (parametric if you have) EQ to your FX list you should have more control.

Now on the knobs, Lo is your sub bass freq's, not much use for vox and something I usually cut a bit. Lo Mid would probably apply to that fullness area of the femals vox. Mid or Mid\High will most likely land in the sibilance area and the highs would be your breath\air.

This is just guesswork as I don't know how many EQ knobs you have or what there ranges are, but I assume it would be something similar.

Another thing you may want to try for fun, add a delay effect to your vox. The one I use is stereo, I set the left channel 15 milliseconds early and the right channel 15ms later. It can halfass fake doubling a track and also helps set vocals in the mix and not seem so up front.

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May 27, 2008 02:15 pm

k, but like i said int he past tho,my beat is one track, so i cant really fix things per "beat", can I? im focusing on vocal, but my beats, especially, like my kicks they could be brought down, they seem a little too "bassy".. well unless i guess i bring in every beat and what not on its own, pain in the ***, maybe theres a easier way i dont know of?, or actually i can probably just do it in acid itself where i make my beats...DUH! hahhaa...this parametric eq where do i find that? so im not in the right area with the lo's and mids and what not?

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May 27, 2008 02:24 pm

oh thanks TRipps that helps me actually with the hi's and lo's..to help u picture it, if i hit "eqalizer", i get a long area with 4 seperate boxes one named HI, one named HI MID another LO mid and the last LO, which each have 3 areas in them where u can change the frequency or whatever...so isnt that where i do the Eq? So i can add extensions to make it better??

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May 27, 2008 02:36 pm

give me the correct term in music for "frequency" please...

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May 27, 2008 02:45 pm

Frequency is the correct term. Try to find a parametric EQ plug-in within Acid (I don't use it so I don't know). This will help you get a handle on the kick. Do the same in your audio application for EQ'ing your vocals. If you dont' have any built-in EQ's, try to find a free one here;
www.kvraudio.com/get.php?...amp;q=equalizer

Try this page to get a better understanding of frequencies and harmonic content.
www.independentrecording....ain_display.htm

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May 27, 2008 03:17 pm

the meaning of frequency????? ya im not shure where to find that in acid or cubase( parametric eq), like i said all ii see is the hi and lo's, thats the only thing i see that says anything about equilizer..ill have to read up in the manual i guess....so i go to that kvraudio site and i dounload EQ?? deos it go directly into my music program or do i have to import my music into it, is it a program in itself?

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May 27, 2008 03:20 pm

Yeah, thos EQ's you speak of have a "sweepable" frequency which gives you a little more control on what you are boosting or cutting, not as much control as a parametric but more than standard eq.

A parametric let's you specify which frequency each knob would control and also let's you specify the "Q".

Think of the "Q" as a V shape. You can make it very narrow, this will only affect that frequency you selected and those very close to it. A wide "Q" will affect said frequency and others around it more so. The wider your Q the more it will affect it's neighbors.

Example of usage, if I have a weird little ping coming from my snare, I would apply a parametric with the Q as narrow as possible to reduce the ping and not affect the overall drum tone much.

But for the most part I leave it pretty wide for general purpose EQ'ing. I think of using a narrow Q as more like audio surgery.

I am sorry if I am confusing at times, I am trying to provide examples as this stuff baffled me when I first started a few years back. Every once in awhile you will have a breakthrough, those are the days that make it worthwhile and they will reflect in your future recordings.

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May 27, 2008 03:21 pm

ohhhh u gotta pay for those...

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May 27, 2008 03:22 pm

KVR has tons of free ones, when you search I believe it is one of the filters.

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May 27, 2008 03:29 pm

"A little confusing" hahahah thats an understatment! ya u talk alotta jibberish to me hahahha but i appreciate ur help, i am gettin tiny breakthrough's here and there, but as for these eq things, that karmaFX is free, so i dounlaod and what, its a program that i have to import my song into or what?? i see t-racks there, and i used to have that, my friend he owns his own studio and he gave me it, but it was easy that one it was basically a switch, but i lost it when i got my computor cleaned...

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May 27, 2008 03:35 pm

k please explain what cut and boost and vst mean... please try to explain them as fundamentally as possible...thanks

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May 27, 2008 03:37 pm

cut is lowering, boost is raising.

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May 27, 2008 03:39 pm

ty...and vst????

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May 27, 2008 03:40 pm

VST is just a type of plugin, there are DirectX and VST plugins, most programs support both...

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May 27, 2008 03:46 pm

when u guys are explaining things to me, i have to search up some words in the dictionary, but i dont think it is telling me the music terms...so im gonna use u guys as my music dictionaries......here geos....:)
~presence/recognition
~sibilance
~breath/air
~fullness
now, i can guess what some of these mean like breath/air and fullness, but i wanna make absolute shure...and "sweepable and parametric", those are just fancier eq's?? thanks

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May 27, 2008 03:48 pm

ok what do u mean by plug ins...oh man u people must think im mental!!! hahahahahha i know NOTHING!, i though having my own recording studio would be much easier hahahha

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May 27, 2008 04:44 pm

OH and compression...

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May 27, 2008 07:44 pm

presence is in the 3khz range and is used to describe how ....well..... present a sound is in the mix....usually you want your vocals right up front and clear....think of it as hearing someone sing in a different room....kinda muffled...as you walk closer the voice becomes more clear and present.

sibilance is your "ssss" and "t"'s in a vocal track...sometimes these can bee too harsh and need to be turned down...also you have "plosives" which is your "P" when you have a big ploom of air hit the mic, it'll give a low 'thuddy' type sound, you want to avoid this (use pantyhose and a coat hanger infront of the mic if you don't have a wind screen.

breath and air are two different things....sometimes a singer will take loud inhales in between lines, these don't always sound very musical, so sometimes you'll want to turn those down. volume automation is a good way to tame them.

air is way high up in frequency and it's the "sparkle" in a sound, real bright and crisp...boosting above 15khz can add quite a bit of shimmer to a sound, but it's easy to overdo.

fullness refers to all frequency ranges of the song are well balanced, if everything is muddy and you have a super clear drum track, it's not gonna sound very 'full' because of the relative difference in tones....think of a really dense mix that you like, it'll have heavy lows, punchy mids, and clear highs...that would be a full sound.

a whole symphony can represent most of the spectrum, so they too can sound full.

compression is a volume tool....get your head around eq and we'll walk ya through compression later.....for now, don't use it.

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May 27, 2008 07:48 pm

plugins make your recording area smell better.


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this one is good with Reason.

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May 27, 2008 07:59 pm

Boooo for the plugins post... (throws tomatoe)

Quote:
presence is in the 3khz range

I would never have thought to type that...

On a side note, good to see you around again wyd!

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May 27, 2008 08:04 pm

heh, that was a crappy joke, but i'm leavin' it up. and making some ketchup.

yeah, my gf has a laptop so i can get a connection on our network, my POS vista system doesn't play nice with my usb connector for our network, so wifi it is.

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May 27, 2008 09:15 pm

hahah,thanks alot DADDAAAAYYYYYYY hahahha u cleared things up for me with some stuff...ya i have a pop guard, and also with the breathing, i just take them out when i edit...

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