May 09, 2008 06:16 pm What sound card? I'll have to think about this but I am sure it can be done.
is there a way to make soundcard output appear to be mic input?
Posted on May 09, 2008 05:57 pm
fortymile
Member Since: Jan 18, 2003
online karaoke.
if you could only make it so that your plugins and audio software could send their output to whatever hardware point of departure is 'read' as 'mic input,' (while blinding the mic input itself from being 'perceived' as your audio source by the karaoke service) then you could, you know, do a little better.
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May 09, 2008 06:16 pm What sound card? I'll have to think about this but I am sure it can be done.
May 09, 2008 10:26 pm well for example, my desktop has the 2496, as well as integrated sound. so, two sound cards. the karaoke thing listens to your mic input (which must mean it's really listening to the soundcard, right?) and uses that audio. i wanted to be able to open cubase, set up a plugin chain, do the realtime monitoring, and have that signal be the thing that's going out to the internets.
on the other hand, it doesn't really matter since the songs available suck, and i'm not gonna do it unless better ones become available. this would just be a way to practice singing in absence of new songs. knowing how to do this would be generally interesting. it could be used for skype, for example.
May 09, 2008 11:27 pm OK, I gotta think about that. But ya, it can be done through Cubase I would assume.
With my ESI interface i can atually chain it via its control panel to other applications, meaning other software or hardware.
May 10, 2008 07:31 am Maybe i should actually try something. i should try reassigning the input soundcard to be just the integrated deal and the output to be the 2496. if i can remember how to do that.
only reason i haven't tried is that part of me thinks it's a farfetched idea, and i was originally playing around with this idea on my laptop, which has just integrated sound.
May 10, 2008 05:21 pm is there an option in the Karaoke software to record from the line in of your stock soundcard, if so i'd route the output of your 2496 (with fx) into the line in of your other card. there is also a feature in volume control on some that give a "record what you hear" option to check.
May 10, 2008 05:35 pm I'll look around, but i think the solution will have to be on this end. i don't think there are any options for the software; i think it all takes place on their end.
May 12, 2008 04:12 am any thoughts anyone? this might not be possible after all. the web application is just listening to the mic port. the web app has only one 'kind' of option for input, and that option is one of your soundcard mic inputs. so whipping up busses isn't going to do anything.
this wouldn't be a problem if only DELL wasn't so friggin' lame. if i could get my laptop able to monitor its own mic input (so that i could hear myself in my headphones while actually speaking into the mic) i could use my desktop (and my plugins) as a rack setup of sorts for the laptop's mic input. listening at the end stage through the laptop.
i've been researching this stupidass monitoring problem. the 'fix and hack' success stories and failures that people have are countless, and all very different. there is no 'one' solution. i tried to search my registry for a key about unhiding the mic on the mixer, but no luck (one guy swears it worked for him, and told peeps how to do it, but the value isn't even in my registry). other people had luck by downloading LG drivers for XP and running those on their vista notebooks. when i did that, i lost all sound (good thing i set a restore point)
this is just completely inexcusable. utterly. completely. stupid. you can't be a serious computer company and pull this **** for over a year. a quick search reveals hundreds and hundreds of very angry people who can't use their machines with skype, with online karaoke, with anything that you'd want to use audio for.
hey dell, wake the hell up
May 12, 2008 10:29 pm Wow, I'm a dumb***!
I hadn't noticed that you are using an online application. That does make it tuff if Dell won't let you bypass or work around the damn card.
I see what WYD is saying though. But that would take some patching things around a bit between the lappy and the desktop. Say like laptop audio out to the mixer to monitor and then the mic going through the desktop for the effects you want then out the 2496 to the input of the laptop which would then hit the net.
Not sure if that would work or not.
But I see the trouble with the way you are describing Dells set up.
May 13, 2008 05:01 am there is no way to record from a line in. only mics.
however, i did some things today. i hacked my registry for the first time. it took a lot of research, but it was fun. i now have, on my laptop, in-ear monitoring from the mic input. but in only the left ear. there's no balance control.
now that i have this going on, the solution is clear. use the desktop as a rack effects thing. mic goes into that. through some insert effects inn cubase. then out to the mic input of the laptop. i can now monitor the voice (in my left ear) while hearing the audio of the song from the web in the laptop mixed in. that was the big problem: there was no way to monitor yourself in realtime until i turned this *essential* feature on.
dell tech support was really nice and spent a lot of time looking for drivers with me, but i started to get this feeling that it would require a reg hack. it would have been just a driver issue IF the proper driver existed, but it doesn't yet for vista (and it may never.) vista wants to block mic input monitoring. i assume there's a DRM reason, but it's stupid, because in the end all you need to do is buy an external soundcard. you simply end up paying for something that's in no way prohibited. i told the dell guy 'that's like selling a computer that's handicapped to disallow word processing.' mic monitoring is crucial for anyone who actually wants to use their soundcard for things it's designed to do. last time i ever buy integrated sound. i didn't know how i would use this laptop for music in the beginning, or if i would, but i had a hunch i would, in time.
anyway, it's imperfect because it's just the left ear for vocals, but i might be able to work it. it's also crazy because now i have these levels to control: mixer in, cubase main, soundcard out, mixer out, laptop in, and karaoke app. what's the rule of thumb for gain staging again? lol. (sesriously: i could use a reminder).
if only i could get a stereo monitor thing happening. the registry value i added (it didn't exist) was EnableInputMonitor
May 13, 2008 08:06 pm Gain staging is pretty straight forward. From the beginning of chain you start with the highest gain setting. Then each stage can be progressively lower. This isn't a hard fast rule as in some cases were the signal chain is longer you may have middle devices that are running near or at the same gain level so don't fret on that.
The key to remember is each stage should be adjusted to as a high a level as it can without causing clipping or going over unity or 0dB at each device.
May 13, 2008 09:59 pm now i remember. thanks.
the left ear thing turns out have been a plug mismatch, too, so now that's fixed.
May 13, 2008 10:45 pm I figured you would.
Glad the ear thing is fixed as well. That makes it a little easier to deal with.
May 14, 2008 12:33 am *gets a strange 'dad' feeling from noize*
hahah
May 14, 2008 06:14 pm Thanx forty, not sure if that is good or bad but....thanx none the less.
May 15, 2008 04:41 am i just imagined you patting me on the back as you encouraged me about how i had understood gain staging after so many years.
i feel like i got a c in math and you're telling me 'you gave it your best shot, son, and that makes you a winner'
hahaha
May 15, 2008 09:01 pm Funny thing is when I was typing that answer I was thinking to myself "forty is going to think I'm being snide" Glad it was the other way around.
And you again made me chuckle for the day.
But ya, your still a winner here. :-)
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