need some drum mic advice
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Posted on Dec 09, 2007 05:32 pm
Dematrix
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Hi
need some drum mic advice.
would i be better of buying a bundled set or going induvidual mics? if so which ones are reccomended for what im doing?(hardcore metal) atm i have a sm57, 58 and rode nt1. so i guess its a start.
Also i gather i will eventualy need a 8 in one compressor or there abouts for running into an interface?
want to get the tascam US1641 its got 12 xlr ins and i think 4 jack ins.
any advice and/or in general would be nice.
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Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Dec 09, 2007 06:08 pm Honestly a packaged kit will yield the best results. But you can put together a good set up with one off mic's as well. Although the kits usually end up coming out cheaper to buy.
First I'll ask how many drums on the kit, and how many cymbals as well? Also, do you have a budget in mind or is it kind of open as far as cost?
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Dec 09, 2007 08:13 pm drum kit wise we are talkin one kick with double pedals, snare, 2x hats, 3 toms, ride and floor tom,3 cymblas and a china.
as far as cost goes dont wanna go too crazy, maybe a price range in line with the quality of gear im using. do you know some price ranges for mics good for metal or heavy drumming?
Having said that obviously im always going to want the best sound possible just depends on the price jump from one set to another.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Dec 09, 2007 08:16 pm Ill have to try and get to this tomorrow. Maybe someone else will jump in with some idea's as well.
CptTrippsCzar of Turd PolishMember
Since: Jun 20, 2006
Dec 10, 2007 10:04 am SM57's are great on the toms and snares, the Co4 from EV is a good stand in for less money. I like the Audix D6 for the kick which is what I use although that is only one option (the one I have tried). I will say that many people doing metal are happy with the D6 as well.
I use Rode NT5's as overheads and love them. If those are a little more than you'd like to spend I can reccomend the Behringer C2's (matched pair for $60) as a very decent starter set with the option of upgrading later.
I wish I could comment on hats but I don't have enough equipment to close mic them.
Also, on large floor toms you can use something like an Audix D4 as it has a little more low end repsponse, it is not required at all though.
I think a price range would at least help as there are many ranges of mic kits.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Dec 10, 2007 05:24 pm Tripps has a good point there on the 57's. Also for over heads you can look into the Samson C02 which is a little better sounding then the Behringer C2. They can as well be had for around $120.00 for a pair.
I know several guys that really like the Audix D6 that he mentioned as well on kick.
Other choices are the AKG D112 which is very killer for metal. And then there is the Shure Beta 52 and the Beta 91. I prefer the 52 but look around and maybe try a couple out.
The AKG D110 is an alternative as well.
CptTrippsCzar of Turd PolishMember
Since: Jun 20, 2006
Dec 10, 2007 05:54 pm I wish everytime I mentioned (reccomended) a microphone to someone the company would send me another.
Keith WarrenMans reach exceeds his graspMember
Since: Oct 23, 2007
Dec 10, 2007 06:06 pm I second the above recommendations, but sometimes I like the Karma K-Micros on toms. Makes 'em a little more buttery.
www.karmaaudio.com/products.html
120$ for a pack of 7, dont get better than that!
EDIT: I guess they're only 79.99& for the 7 set now.
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Dec 10, 2007 07:57 pm do any of those mics mentioned use phantom power if so which ones?
I have a rode nt1 would that be appropriate for overheads or will i kill it?
CptTrippsCzar of Turd PolishMember
Since: Jun 20, 2006
Dec 10, 2007 08:05 pm NT1 would work. It would be nice to have two but there is nothing wrong with a little mono for sure. I prefer SDC for overheads but I think the NT1 would sound great. I am a big fan of Rode.
I bought a 6 or 7 piece kit for $350 when I started, probably be a little cheaper now. Those packs do a good job though, and with the few you do have it would be a nice assortment for starters indeed.
Also for hardcore metal, drum replacement is quite popular. Not required, but dare I say... the norm. You may want to look into some software for that. I use drumagog on heavier stuff and it is great. I don't know others, but I'm sure someone here does.
p.s. The only mics of mine that require phantom power are the condensors, every single one does. I'm assume that's the norm, but can't say for sure.
Keith WarrenMans reach exceeds his graspMember
Since: Oct 23, 2007
Dec 10, 2007 08:11 pm Most, if not all of the mics listed above have an SPL of about 130dB, so you'd have to do something pretty horrible to kill any of them.
So far as phantom power, mics like the Shure SM57, EV Co4, and Audix D6, do not need phantom. However, any condenser will in fact need phantom power. So if you're shopping for mics and see it's a condenser, keep that in mind.
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Dec 10, 2007 11:44 pm thanks for the info guys. im glad i found this site. so helpful.
Keith WarrenMans reach exceeds his graspMember
Since: Oct 23, 2007
Dec 10, 2007 11:48 pm No problem Deon. That's what we're here for.
If you have any other questions, as always, feel free to ask :D
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Dec 11, 2007 07:35 pm ACtually you can buy that 7 pack in a nice case for $79.00 right now. I own two matched pairs of the K-Micro. One lower SPL and one higher SPL. Both are killer but the higher SPL are the ones I have used on drums. And they are the mics in the 7 piece kit.
CptTrippsCzar of Turd PolishMember
Since: Jun 20, 2006
Dec 12, 2007 10:27 am I am actually gonna get a pack of those Noize, I don't even care what they sound like for that price :0
Keith WarrenMans reach exceeds his graspMember
Since: Oct 23, 2007
Dec 13, 2007 03:56 am Seriously Tripps, you'll think you have a high SPL condenser on whatever you point it at.. oh wait... you will, lol. I've used my personal set in serious studio settings countless times and never had a hum, click, or blurb. They're really amazing mics. Three thumbs up... whatever that means, lmao.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Dec 13, 2007 10:15 pm Yep, I might order that set as well for my little Xmas gift to me. That or another of the K6 ribbon mic's. That thing is so smooth.
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Dec 14, 2007 02:44 am 79 bucks for a 7 pack o mics is really good. over here i pay bout round 130 for a sm57 and that's cheep cheep!
what do they slug you for a 57 where you are?
TadpuiI am not a crook's headMember
Since: Mar 14, 2003
Dec 14, 2007 02:29 pm An SM57 is about $85-$90 in most places retail. You can find them occasionally on eBay for more like $50-$75.
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Dec 14, 2007 08:50 pm thats in the states right?
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Dec 14, 2007 11:19 pm Yep, that is in the states.