Dec 02, 2007 04:58 pm It depends on what you're using to do this . If you fill out your profile, we'll at least know what you're working with .
What Is The Best Way To Record Drums+Rhythm Guitar, For First Take (Track)
Posted on Dec 02, 2007 04:16 pm
sparklehorse
Member Since: Nov 29, 2007
What Is The Best Way To Record Drums+Rythm Guitar, For First Take (Track). Instead of using metronome's, I want to get that live feel, by recording the drums and rhythm guitar, but what is the best way to ensure a decent sound, (because of the lack of mixing capabilities)
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Dec 02, 2007 04:58 pm It depends on what you're using to do this . If you fill out your profile, we'll at least know what you're working with .
Dec 02, 2007 08:53 pm Well you can and I have recorded a simple single mic drum track by placing the mic about 3 feet out front of the kit at a height that is maybe 6 inches above the top of the kick drum. This will yield a usable track for reference. The guitar of course can be recorded normally whether it is electric or acoustic.
Remember to not get fancy on the guitar tone if it is for reference, it will only need to be audible and not need any fancy effects.
Dec 02, 2007 09:29 pm by reference you mean sort of a background track, or quiet track, because I was think ing about rigging up a mic'd acoustic guitar, and with some sort of headphone splitter, so both the drummer and guitarist could hear it.
thanks for the input, but also will that drum placement be able to get a good kick drum sound?
Dec 02, 2007 10:09 pm If your looking to record a track to replace the metronome it is commonly referred to as a reference track. IT is not really made to make the final mix. Only there for the musicians to listen to as a guide.
But yes, that will give you a pretty good kick drum sound.
I've actually recorded that way and had it end up in the final mix.
Dec 03, 2007 11:39 am Another quick question if you don't mind, I currently have the cheapest mic MXL makes, it sounds pretty good, but it handles I think 30 hz to 20 khz, and I was wondering for more bassy instruments like kick drums especially, should I upgrade to a mic that handles 20 hz to 20 khz. Someone once told me it doesn't matter because we can't hear below 30 hz.
Dec 03, 2007 03:38 pm Most humans can't hear below 20hz. It will make a slight difference, but if your on a budget it is something that can wait. The make mic's that are specific to use on kick drums that can be had for a decent price. Most are dynamic mic's instead of condenser's. Although there are come killer LDC's that will work a charm on the kick drum, but most are not budget minded mic's. The CAD E300 is a good mic for kick drum, it is an LDC and can be had for a pretty fair price.
Compression and a little EQ will go along way in making a kick drum sound big.
Dec 03, 2007 05:54 pm I just bought an E-MU 0404 USB interface, that has 2 uni-inputs I guess, (basically two inputs, that can be 1/4" or XLR), and it doesn't say in the instructions, but I think somewhere on the net I read that it can record 2 separate TRACKS at the same time, I don't know if its determined by the 2 inputs or what..... also I it also has S/PDIF digital and coaxial inputs, can I use to plug my BOSS BR-532 as a preamp to simultaneously record with the inputs?
Dec 03, 2007 09:10 pm The E-mu 0404 USB has its own pre amps built into it.
And I'm not sure if the BR can send a signal direct out the digital while it is in record mode. You would have to check the manual or try Rolands tech support for that one.
Dec 03, 2007 09:20 pm the manual was pretty much useless, but thanks for the feedback, I think i'll reconsider buying a $30 optical S/PDIF cable, I think you just saved me some money.
Dec 05, 2007 10:47 pm Sparlkehorse, I have a 0404 (pci) and a BR-532, and you can record using the two inputs and the BR-532 through the s/pdif out/in. However, you will be ahead experience-wise if you invest in more mics for the drumkit, and then get a mixer. Record the drums to stereo (we use two overheads along with one each on snare, tom, and kick). Experiment with panning and placemnent, and before long you'll have it down--a really good sounding drumkit in stereo. Invaluable practice for your inevitable use of multi-track.
Next, play live, guitars (electric) DI'ed, with drums stereo, and try acoustics miked (put some padding on the wall behind the miked-up guitar player, and the vocalist as well!) Again, everything down to stereo. The 0404 takes an un-balanced cable in; pan the controls hard left and right in the software, or choose ASIO (1) L for left, ASIO (2) for right. That's what it looks like for my software, anyway (Magix 11). Oh, and your recording software should recognize the s/pdif if signal's coming in. All channels recordable should get their own ASIO pair (1+2), (3+4), etc. My software can split them up (1),(2), or treat them as ganged mono (1+2), (3+4). I'll check back, because this may be a bit confusing.
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