Nov 13, 2007 10:21 pm First off, welcome to HRC cinemamet
No link, but no biggie. Have you tried to update the device drivers if there are any? What kind of software are you using? You may have to adjust some settings in there as well.
Cannot connect Fatar Studiologic via M-audio
Posted on Nov 13, 2007 10:13 pm
cinemamet
Member Since: Nov 13, 2007
Hi guys. I'm trying to connect my Fatar SL-161 to my Sony RB-30 pc, but it won't recognize the keyboard as a valid midi input. Windows recognizes the USB as an audio device, but not a MIDI playback device in Control Panel>Sounds. The Midiman Uno USB device has the green USB light on but the midi input and output lights. Can anyone help? I have a link below of what my desktop looks like:
Thanks!
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Nov 13, 2007 10:21 pm First off, welcome to HRC cinemamet
No link, but no biggie. Have you tried to update the device drivers if there are any? What kind of software are you using? You may have to adjust some settings in there as well.
Nov 13, 2007 10:30 pm Hey Keith,
I updated the drivers from the M-audio website for Windows XP. Every time I install it, it says drivers updated complete. I installed Reason 2.0, but I have also tried Midi-Ox just to see if the Midi could be detected. When I start Midi-Ox it says "No Midi input device detected."
Since control panel recognizes the USB, but not as a MIDI device, I'm thinking that perhaps it is not any software, but something regarding my pc settings? I can use the keyboard on my Mac using garageband, so not sure why the Sony Vaio is not picking it up.
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Nov 14, 2007 01:28 am Have you set up your midi options in Reason? Go to Preferences-Midi and configure your device. You may also have to designate a specific bus for the controller as well, depending on your input routing options.
Also, Windows often doesn't pick up on midi controllers when they're routed through an interface because the interface essentially bypasses the soundcard, which is why the system doesn't appear to recognize it.
Thumb through the manual www.propellerheads.se/dow...icle=reason_doc
If this isn't the issue, then we'll t/s the issue further.
Nov 14, 2007 07:44 pm Ya, the system will not see a regular midi type controller keyboard as a device. It will only see the Uno as a midi i/o port. Wo you need to select that port and make it live in Reason. Then select the channel input as Omni and you should be good to go. You can also select the specific channel number 1 through 16 if you are running Reason as a multi channel synth.
But Keith has ya going the right direction for setting Reason up.
Nov 20, 2007 01:06 am Thanks for the responses guys. I went through the Reason manual and I am stuck on a specific spot..setting up the channel. How do I know which channel to select? This may be a dumb question, but is my PC set up so that every USB port has a specific channel number assigned to it? If so, how can I obtain this information?
I am not sure which bus to use as well. Under advanced MIDI options, I selected Bus A as "USB Uno Midi in." I'm not sure why the Reason manual stated to leave it as "no midi input."
Keith, since you mentioned that the soundcard is now bypassed, how can I even listen to songs in Reason? The playback is now disabled since it is bypassed.
Sorry for the newbie questions, Keith and "Stewie", but I'm not so high on the technical jargon and aspects yet..I just love to play!
Nov 20, 2007 09:46 am Haha, you called Noize Stewie. You get points for that ya know.
As far as hearing your music, a midi interface bypasses the sound card independently. You should still be able to hear from your speakers or headphones unless the midi interface acts as an all around audio interface, in which case there should be audio outs on it which you can connect to speakers and/or headphones for monitoring.
Setting up your channels? Your USB inputs do not have their own assigned channel inputs. Those channels are assigned and defined by you (and sometimes the program, but that's a whole other game.) I'm not sure of what options you have or are looking at, since I don't use Reason, but I'm sure Noize or someone else can help you with that.
So far as your bus, you shouldn't need to define a bus if you're using only one input device, but for Reason I may be wrong, so again this is not my Dept.
And keep in mind cinema, this site is here to help 'un-newbie' people and help them become comfortable with their home recording hobby and equipment, so don't apologize for your questions. Just keep asking until you get 'em answered.
Nov 20, 2007 09:48 am de-newbie people too; 'least thats what i meant.
Nov 20, 2007 05:41 pm Yep, you want to select and make active the Uno midi in to get the keyboard to control Reason.
And ya, the Uno is simply a midi interface. No audio control with that so it wont take over your audio in or out.
Reason may want no midi input if it is going to act as the sequencer itself with you actually step writing each note. You don't want to do that if I am catching what you are doing.
There should be an option to select the actual midi port which is the Uno and then select either a specific midi channel 1 through 16 or leave it as Omni for the input. I generally leave it set to omni except when working with a synth that needs to see a specific midi channel sent to it.
But back to the audio portion. You will however need to tell Reason in the audio options section to use the stock sound card as the audio ouput.
Nov 20, 2007 10:39 pm I wish I could post printscreens here. Ok, this is what it is currently set at:
Audio - Driver is my souncard. DX Realtek HD Audio rear output.
Midi - USB Uno MIDI In. Channel is set at 1. ( I don't have any OMNI option, only up to 16 channels)
Advanced MIDI - Bus A is set at USB Uno Midi In
What else am I missing here? Am I just supposed to play a note and be able to hear it?
Nov 21, 2007 01:40 am you should, yeah. What are you using to hear your audio? Headphones coming straight from the computers soundcard, or straight from the Uno (or monitors from either, or just your computer speakers from the computer?)
Do you see any movement from your meters in Reason? Or are you still at the hurdle of not having any connectivity with the fatar at all?
You can try assigning the bus as 'none' and the channel as 1, which is the setup for my sonar when using synths. It seems to me like there's something else going on though. Like we're all overlooking something. It should be working with your current settings I would think. Answer the above questions and we'll take it from there. I wanna help you get this running; it's frustrating me even!
Nov 21, 2007 03:55 pm One thing is to not use the Realtek rear out. Use the front out as the rear will only be available for surround sound.
Otherwise, yes you should be able to just play a note on your controller and it will be played through Reason and out your Realtek front outs.
Apr 11, 2008 03:41 am Sorry to revive this one, but I never got my MIDI keyboard to work with my PC. I can get it to work with GarageBand on my mac.
There must be something fairly simple I'm overlooking with all this. Ok, let me recap:
I uninstalled drivers and reinstalled the latest driver from M-Audio website. I then connected the M-Audio USB interface with my PC and it said it recognized it. Its name pops up in the task manager as a hardware device.
Control Panel settings: Only thing that changed is MIDI music playback now has "USB Uno Midi Out" as an option instead of just Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth. Should I select the Uno as the Out? I've tried both ways.
I tried using MIDI-OX and I can finally get it to recognize MIDI Input and Outputs. This is only as far as I can go, though strangely it only seems to occur "right after" reinstalling the drivers. If I take out the cable and try another USB port later for example, Windows does recognize the device by name in the taskbar, but the icon will disappear and no other software like Cubase or Reason will recognize it. Almost like it "disappears." But if I insert the Uno after reinstalling the drivers, everything will look good if I leave everything alone.
Noize2u, how can I set my Realtek as front rather than rears? I don't see an option for that in Control Panel.
In Reason 2.0 it recognizes the Uno MIDI in. In the Advanced MIDI, should I set the External Control as USB Uno In under BUS A?
With Cubase, I can get the in: "Uno USB" and out: "Uno USB." But no meters light up when I press keys or the MIDI In light on the Uno doesn't light up either. Only the USB light on the Uno pulses. With Logic on my Mac, I can get at least the Uno's MIDI in light to blink when I press keys although no "notes" are conveyed. Why is Garage Band the only software program that works? Am I missing some kind of hardware, app, soundcard, etc. that only Garage Band has? Maybe that will help solve the mystery.
Apr 11, 2008 05:49 pm Update:
I can get the lights on my Uno lit up. The power USB light is on and pulsing, the MIDI In and Out lights were solid when I turned on my keyboard. But after a few minutes, they are now off again.
I turned my keyboard off and on and sure enough the lights are on again.
In Cubase, I can see the Midi In and Out bars fluttering up and down even when I am not pressing anything on the keyboard. If I press "Play" the meters flutter and the lights on my Uno are solid. If I leave it alone for a few minutes, the lights on the Uno revert back to just USB. Is this normal and means I have a good connection now? It doesn't seem that when I press any keys on the keyboard, anything changes. Even in the DirectWave VSTi, pressing an F# for example will not send MIDI information.
Seem like I'm closer, but still not there.
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