Waves?

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Member Since: Jul 11, 2007

ok i have platinum waves, and im recording hip hop, and i just use my cool edit plugins, but from what i hear about waves, i hear its the shiznit

does anyone have any techiniques? all i want is the smooth clean sound, no weird sound, just a normal radio type production

any tutorials? c1, c1 comp, c1 gate, c4, L1, etc PLEASE UH IM SO CONFUSED! i have all these great expenisive plugins and not a clue

please gimme a clue lol

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Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


Aug 10, 2007 07:40 am

The only plugs of Waves I useare the ultramaximizer and their parametric EQ's...their parametrics are the bomb. The ultramaximizer really tightens things up and pushes a few extra dB out of a mix.

Member
Since: Jul 27, 2007


Aug 10, 2007 08:32 am

I also use cool edit...

Can someone tell me where I might be able to get these "plugins?" I'd really like to check them out.

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


Aug 10, 2007 08:33 am

www.waves.com but be warned, they are not cheap, but they are the best.

Chief Cook and Bottle Washer
Member
Since: May 10, 2002


Aug 10, 2007 09:37 am

They are the best and yes they are confusing because of all of the adjustements that you can make. A lot of the articles here at HRC will give you the basics of operating the different types of processers. From there there are articles in mags, and such out there, do a little googling. Then of course there's sittin down and taking some time with the things.

Member
Since: Jul 27, 2007


Aug 10, 2007 10:56 am

WOW! They are expensive.

That is just WAY out of my budget right now.

I first need to upgrade my mics and acoustics before I even think about spending that kind of money.

Besides, that software can't fix "garbage in" which is what I'm currently producing.

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


Aug 10, 2007 11:11 am

Yeah, there are loads of decent free plugins, links to many can be found in our links directory. None that are up to the Waves quality, but good none the less.

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


Aug 10, 2007 10:50 pm

dB is right Tomkat, there are links to lots of good freebies to get you started. KVR is one of the biggest home of free pluggins on the net. www.kvraudio.com

Member
Since: Jul 11, 2007


Aug 10, 2007 11:38 pm

ok, i googled it and everything, i tried googling "waves plugin tutorials", all kinds of stuff

still isnt that much help

but mainly, i have a lot of the plugins, and i still cant find much help with them on the net, or the waves site, so i was wondering if anyone here can be as specific as possible with a tut or order of effects they use

all help is appreciated

oh yea, i just use like a $110 mic, and a $100 mixer, ill put one of my nicely produced tracks on my profile (go check it out!) do any of u think if i used waves, the production would have been better? its called "cant leave rap alone" i sampled jay z

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


Aug 11, 2007 04:32 am

Well, honestly most plugins are pretty self explanatory, play back some music and fiddle with the settings...isn't that the way we have all figured out how to use effects?

Hold 'Em Czar
Member
Since: Dec 30, 2004


Aug 11, 2007 05:35 am

set your threshold to -10, your attack to .3ms and your release to 1.3 and THAT will make your trackx bounce!

pardon the satire...but from this thread, what i can see is you need to let your ears (and free plugins) tell you what's good......read up on techniques!

sorry, i'm drunk and can't help but be a party buster.

Member
Since: Jul 11, 2007


Aug 11, 2007 05:42 am

ok, what effect do i use those settings on whosyourdaddy?


Hold 'Em Czar
Member
Since: Dec 30, 2004


Aug 11, 2007 05:44 am

compressor/limiter but DON'T!!! i was beein' sarcastic/drunk.

compression settings are not as easy as others...it's VERY project specific.....i can help you if you want.

Member
Since: Jul 11, 2007


Aug 11, 2007 05:49 am

hell yea i want some help

Hold 'Em Czar
Member
Since: Dec 30, 2004


Aug 11, 2007 05:50 am

what are your goals? audio-wise?

Member
Since: Jul 11, 2007


Aug 11, 2007 05:54 am

im not sure i know what u mean

but i dont do music just for fun, even tho it is, but im tryin get paid boiiii!!!!!!! lol i do hip hop, lil r n b, an everything i do is pretty hot, better than most of the stuff on the radio these days

Hold 'Em Czar
Member
Since: Dec 30, 2004


Aug 11, 2007 05:56 am

well, if making you're song 'louder' is the "goal" then compression/limiting is what the doctor ordered....what i was asking is, when you listen to your mix, what is 'missing'?

Member
Since: Jul 11, 2007


Aug 11, 2007 06:09 am

to tell u the truth, i cant exactly put my finger on what is missing

i would like to say i think it needs to be more compressed

here is my current editing technique

each vocal: 1, dynamics processing(cool edit plugin) 2, reverb,(cool edit plugin)

thats it

i know i should be editing more, because it just doesnt sound right

bace135 in the house tonight!
Member
Since: Jan 28, 2003


Aug 11, 2007 06:42 pm

what are you doing for beats? making 'em yourself? sample based (kanye, premo, etc.) beats or synth based beats (lil john, etc). Are you just worried about vocals? Add compression to your vocals (C1). attack somewhere between 12 and 30 and release somwhere between 24 and 45 (release should be greater than attack). Threshold is going to depend on how loud your recorded vocals and how much you want to compress (i'm usually doing between -24 and -29db). Ratio is normally between 3:1 and 4:1. Also eq your vocals (i'd use the Q10 - readup on mix eq and parametric equalizers). Make a few db cut below 80Hz and boost (a little) somewhere between 1200Hz and 2100Hz. That should be a start...

Member
Since: Jul 11, 2007


Aug 12, 2007 12:39 am

coolo thanks for the info

and i have a few friends that make beats for me, and also i just lease beats off of soundclick and such

so, all i need to worry about is vocals, thats it

remember, i have platinum waves, so i have xclick xnoise xcrackle, ultramaximzers (which i heard are important) and a whole bunch of other ones

oh, and do i just use normal c1, or c1 gate/comp?

is c1 better than c4? ill fiddle with the eqs, and as for reverb, are waves' any good, or should i stick with cool edits reverbs?

bace135 in the house tonight!
Member
Since: Jan 28, 2003


Aug 13, 2007 12:55 am

well, here's the thing, if you want radio quality, you have to mix the vocal with the beat so the vocal doesn't compete with the beat. There is an article on this site about eq and mixing, and I highly advise you read it. Anyhow, c1 and c4 are used for different things, and i would just use c1 for vocals until you learn what all the things on the c1 gate do.

I never liked using cool edit plugins except delay, multitap delay (sometimes), and chorus. Their noise reduction is awesome though if you need to use it. There parametric eq is not bad either.

Member
Since: Jul 11, 2007


Aug 13, 2007 08:39 am

mix the vocal with the beat?

bace135 in the house tonight!
Member
Since: Jan 28, 2003


Aug 13, 2007 12:30 pm

alright i'm guessing you prolly just put the vocal over the beat, like in cool edit, you got one track with the beat, and one track with the vocal. Most professionals track out the beat so each element of the beat is mixed seperately, along with the vocal, so that everything fits better along side itself. I'm saying, go read that article on eq and mixing, it'll help make sense of everything.

it's not just about adjusting volume, when mixing the vocal with the beat.

Member
Since: Jul 11, 2007


Aug 13, 2007 11:37 pm

alight, where is this article at?

Member
Since: Jul 11, 2007


Aug 13, 2007 11:39 pm

but for real, i can go and mess wit the waves plugins and figure out what makes what sound good, but what im lookin for is an order in which i should apply them to my vocals

im pretty sure the order is important

and everywhere i go, nothing explains to me which order i should do, and i was hopin one of yall knew and could help me save time, but ill go read that article

bace135 in the house tonight!
Member
Since: Jan 28, 2003


Aug 14, 2007 12:10 am

first off, i listened to the couple tracks you mentioned in one of these threads, and they sounded clean. Only thing I really noticed was maybe you could use a de-esser to minimize some of that sssssss sound on the s.

As for the order, on vocals I put compressor, eq, de-esser, reverb (or delay or chorus). Sometimes, depending on the sound I want, I'll put the reverb before the compressor.

mixing article
www.homerecordingconnecti...tory&id=154

my other advice is, when looking at the diagrams in this article, you don't have to go as extreme in your notches and boosts. There can be a little more overlap...

Member
Since: Jul 11, 2007


Aug 14, 2007 07:35 am

those two tracks on my myspace were edited with only the cool edit plugins. I had waves, i just didnt mess with them because i didnt no where to begin. But thanks for all the info, this is the best site ive been to on advice. Gearslutz isnt really a big help.

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


Aug 14, 2007 07:42 am

Gearslutz is a weird site, they tend to pick on newbies and stuff, cuz of course they were born with all the knowledge they have and never were in a newbie state themselves...

Waves plugins are not that difficult, most plugins work just like their hardware counterparts, same names, knobs and stuff.

www.homerecordingconnecti...story&id=13 may explain a little bit about some of the questions you have.

Member
Since: Jul 11, 2007


Aug 15, 2007 07:37 am

i agree about gearslutz. I never really understood them. I get laughed at because of my cheap gear. Maybe its just me, but id rather have a hot meal and some warm p***y at home, then living in a shack with all the gear in the world.

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


Aug 15, 2007 07:58 am

yeah, actually, that is typical of many home recording forums...which is incredibly stupid...but, those are people that are professionals and do have great stuff, or, they are simply compensating for having a small "package" by having nice music gear...some guys buy a corvette to compensate, some buy a ProTools system or something...

Member
Since: Aug 18, 2007


Aug 18, 2007 03:35 pm

"i agree about gearslutz. I never really understood them. I get laughed at because of my cheap gear. Maybe its just me, but id rather have a hot meal and some warm p***y at home, then living in a shack with all the gear in the world."

They did not laugh at you because of your gear, but because you admitted using CRACKED or PIRATED versions of Waves, Cubase, Melodyne, Autotune, ...
And because you insulted ALOT of people by calling them names!

Your username was GK210 and 2 of your threads where closed because of you insulting people and talking about PIRATED software!

Who buys Waves platinum and then asks how to use it?

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


Aug 18, 2007 03:42 pm

Interesting username choice there riaa...interesting input into the thread as well.

Talking about cracked and pirated software would get the same treatment here as it does there. It is typically pretty easy to tell who pirated and I suspected GK did, but until a different thread, he never SAID it.

That said, when somebody comes in, starts talking about having this, that and the other software, much of which all serves the same purpose and some of which is very expensive and they don't know how to use it, it's pretty obvious.

Thanks for chiming in, dude.

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


Aug 18, 2007 03:49 pm

Hmmmm, from what I just read on GS they were not really bashing at all, just pretty much being honest.

Member
Since: Aug 18, 2007


Aug 18, 2007 06:37 pm

We have to be firm with those kind of people.
We cannot let them destroy something we earn a living with!
Because of kids like this, we have all kinds of dongles on our pc.

Take care.

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


Aug 18, 2007 07:01 pm

Agreed.

Member
Since: Jul 11, 2007


Aug 19, 2007 12:41 pm

ok riaa, i know you ran to this site because i told you all about how much better this one is. And dont sit here and lie to these people on this site. I in no way brought anything up about cracked software. I asked a question on how to use something, and everybody, except one person, became the biggest idiots ive ever seen in a forum. It was pretty hilarious, they were acting like i had kidnapped there children because i asked for help. That whole site is full of disrespectful people. Who did i insult? the people saying i was a homosexual and had no life? What a real friendly site. Everyone who replied to the thread were saying basically the same thing, really making themselves look stupid, and if u were one of them, then yourself too.

I have no idea how someone could think im a homosexual by asking how to use some software.

And DB masters, while ive been here, have i belittled anyone on this site? I dont know too much about home recording yet, but if there was something someone else needed to know, and i knew the answer, i would help. Im not gonna come off saying "this loser obviousy has cracked software. Mods Close this thread, ban this idiot"

That was actually a compliment compared to what these people were saying.

All im saying is, you havent had problems with me, because everyone here has been cool and helpful. Call me a homosexual and an idiot for asking for help, and things would of course be different.

Dont just listen to what one quack has to say.

BTW, What do i get for reffering this guy? lol

oh riaa, it would be great if you wouldnt run and get your gearslutz gang and bring them here.

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


Aug 19, 2007 02:41 pm

No, GK, you have been nothing but a cool member of the forum, and actually Noize and I said the same on a phone call the other day. I don't close threads or boot people for suspicion of piracy and never will, I will never take action until somebody actually starts saying so, talking about it and stuff like that. It's innocent until proven guilty to me.

I don't know what the history is at GS, and really, I don't care that much...lots of people come here from GS, HM.com and other places saying the same things you are, and I personally think it's quite cool when people say how much more friendly people are here...and, as long as the rules are followed, HRC will remain as such.

There is an occasional a-hole in every crowd, it happens, but we usually deal with them quickly.

You are always welcome here until you start being a "Mr ***** Killa" or a few of the other jackasses we've had here through the years...and frankly, I don't see that in you at this point...

GS has a good forum, but it's a pros forum as I see it, have never seen a lot of welcoming of newbies or "hobby" low end type gear peeps...but for their space, they are good, lots of good info there.

All that being said, piracy talk is not tolerated here, as it is hurting the industry and making life harder for the legitimate customers, which does suck.

Member
Since: Aug 18, 2007


Aug 19, 2007 06:37 pm

Well, as a matter of fact, you calling me a liar just enforces my point.
Threads don't get deleted for no reason,dB master will confirm that.

As for people calling you a homosexual... You really think mature people are going to call a 16 year old kid like that? Wasn't it the other way around! It isn't a swear word by the way, it is a sexual orientation that gets used as a swear word by kids who don't know any better.

What you get for YOU referring people to this site? You only give a nice site like this a bad name by referring it twice in the same threads you mentioned what warez you got for free. And you would take out our wives with all the money you saved by stealing your stuff.

GS is a very helpfull site with people with low end gear to people with million dollar studio's, who are willing to help everybody that comes in with RESPECT.

I'm not going to put any more effort in this, have fun with your stolen goods. What goes around comes around...

Good luck with the future of your forum dB Master, keep up the good work!!!

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


Aug 19, 2007 07:22 pm

Quote:
What goes around comes around...


That is the truest statement in this thread.

Thanks RIAA for your input and for coming back to check. Sadly it's a rather lousy topic that is nothing but hurtful to anyone involved. Good luck with GS, it's a great source of info.

That said, I hope this rather unpleasant twist to conversation can stop. Who called who what, where and when isn't really an issue, looking back rarely gains anything. Learn from it and move forward with the lessons learned.

No, threads are not deleted for no reason, and actually, at least with us, the thread has to get pretty bad before it's deleted...as far as the homosexual thing, I gotta admit, my fuirst thought was "well, maybe he is?"...cuz it's not that big a thing...

I will say this as a last comment, mentioning of pirating software WILL get a member closer to a banning...we have a three strike policy here...we verbally remind of rules, the nest reminder is a bit more forceful and if there is a next time, you're gone. That isn't aimed at anyone, it's just a fact of the forum.

Going to a forum and telling people that there's sucks and our is better rubs me badly...I mean, nobody loves a little publicity more than me, but that isn't really a good or ethical way to do even though I appreciate the thought behind it...well...you know...I hope.

Anyway, GK, you are welcome here, just know that...as is RIAA (well, the user, not the org that sues everybody). :-D

Czar of Midi
Administrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002


Aug 19, 2007 07:42 pm

Wow!

And so it goes.

We all just move on.

Member
Since: Jul 11, 2007


Aug 20, 2007 12:02 am

i had no intentions of telling them it sucked. I dont even think i used that word, but im not positive. I was just rating my weeks experience with that site. Some people actually had some good helpful information, i would say about 20%. Db, your right, this is considered a dead issue to me, but one thing im gonna mention is the dishonesty. Of course that guy is going to back up his site. He can say i said this and said that, but he wont admit that him and his buddies act like toddlers in forums. Seriously, honestly, i think it would be easier for me to convince Mr. bytch killa to take a full english course and check up on his grammar, then to go a day in gearslutz and not have someone say some ****.

Its a ridiculous site. Thats my opinion. We all have that right dont we? Anyway, i like this site, ive gotten more knowledge here then other places, and i dont plan on giving anyone a reason to wanna ban me.

deebz lol still cracks me up

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


Aug 20, 2007 07:29 am

Cool, let's just forget it and move on then. Everybody had their say, everybody is entitled to their opinions. I don't dislike GS's forums, but I have seen issues there just like I have here. There are a couple forums I can honestly say I do not like, but, well, I'll just keep that to myself.

Thread locked, move along people, nothing to see here.

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