Jul 09, 2007 07:22 pm Yeah, I saw a couple shows on the subject. We're all gonna die...
12/21/2012
Posted on Jul 09, 2007 07:21 pm
TallChap
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Okay..
There's been many a thread lately about certain aspects of theology, idealogy, self-awareness etc.
Has anyone seen anything on the above date?
The predictions range from a shift of the Earth's crust, to changes to our consciousness, to a change in our DNA (might be a bit of a stretch).
Basically, the date above is when the Mayan Calendar (which has proved to have been super accurate) suddenly stops. A bunch of other data suggests this date as equally ...er...mindblowing...
There will be a huge planetary alignment, and we'll be lined up somehow with a big black hole type thingy.
One theory is that we left the second age of man in 1986, are in a transition stage, and that the third age begins in 2012. This transition period is where we prepare ourselves for the next age by looking inwards, and outwards...
I just wanted to test the water here and see where every sits on this, if anyone's heard anything about it.
I'm hoping there is a huge change in consciousness, and everyone suddenly goes, "OH! I see!" and there's an end to all the silly stuff that makes us kill each other. Whether that's in the form of governments, religions, or similar I don't know...or care, really. It would be nice.
I'm a dreamer.
er...
Man...
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Jul 09, 2007 07:22 pm Yeah, I saw a couple shows on the subject. We're all gonna die...
Jul 09, 2007 07:28 pm Quote:
We're all gonna die...
Yup, pretty sure about that.... it's the day I'm not so sure about.
Jul 09, 2007 07:43 pm Fire, flood, quake, and mud....
Nope, that's the four seasons of Malibu, CA.
Maybe. I hope not.
I'm thinking that even if there is a geographic shift, in geological terms an instant can be 100s of years.
Maybe a bunch of aliens will land and slap us across the head..."No, see? You're not doing it right."
Dunno.
Maybe I'll finally have completed my album...
[It's a cookbook!!!!]
Jul 09, 2007 07:43 pm <hippy voice>
This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius, the aaaaaggggeeee of Aquaaaarriiiiiuuuuus!
</hippy voice>
Jul 09, 2007 08:25 pm Quote:
it's the day I'm not so sure about.
Well, this much I do know, it'll be the last day I give a crap about...
****, I have kids now, so that line isn't even true...DAMNIT.
Jul 09, 2007 08:53 pm I'm sure if the Mayans were still around and developed Newsagents/stationary stores then they could simply pick up the 2013 Calendar when it became available.
Given that theirs stops on the 21st of December it might make an excellent Christmas gift.
Jul 09, 2007 10:02 pm My favorite 'End of Mayan Calender Theory' was that all of our household appliances will come to life and kill us... I think that was a PBS doc over 10 years ago...
Jul 09, 2007 10:29 pm i've never heard of this one before...
hmmm
party at my house on the 20th i guess!
Jul 09, 2007 10:34 pm I heard about the Mayan calendar a few years ago and did a small bit of searching on the net about it.
The Mayans had a way of discerning things about the universe that still baffles scientists. For instance, they knew Earth's exact location in the Milky Way and one of their five calendars used the Solar System's rotation around the galaxy as its basis.
They also knew about the asteroid belt between Mars and Saturn, the Keiper belt and that it is the origin of most comets, the age of the universe, and that it is expanding.
Their five calendars had specific uses and basic time divisions. Their Life Calendar was based like our Jovian calendar on the orbiting of the Sun by Earth, 364-1/4 days. They tracked birthdays and crop status with the Life Calendar.
Their Ages Calendar was based on the cycle of heating/cooling the Earth goes through because of the axis being tilted as it is. Geneology and familial history was usually based on it.
Their Creations Calendar was a multiple of the Life Calendar except it was corrected for the almost 1/4 day that we have Leap Year for. Even we, today, have four Leap Years then skip one. Four more and skip. We go through four cycles like that (64 years) and then have to skip two. (Not sure if that is exact, but it gives the basic idea.)
The calendar upon which they based the happenings of 2012 was their Distant Calendar. To them, distance was a concept of forward measurement. Whatever was at a distance was in front of them. This is the calendar that was based on the orbit of the galaxy by the Solar System. Even though they had calculated a far longer time period for this calendar to cover, only one period of record was ever found for it. That record ends in our year 2012.
An asteroid destroys civilization is my theory.
Jul 09, 2007 10:39 pm how's that going to affect people's retirement accounts?
perhaps we can form a committee and skip 2012 and just move on to 2013.
we can do it!
at least i'm still Y2K compliant.
Jul 09, 2007 11:03 pm Quote:
perhaps we can form a committee and skip 2012 and just move on to 2013.
we need to expand the protesting first
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6222153.stm
Jul 10, 2007 01:26 am hmmmm... 46 & 2... Crowely's Age of Horus... Nuclear War... Lazy Mayans...
Jul 10, 2007 07:36 am All that date-driven event stuff is so stupid...age of this and that, everyone is gonna die in 2000 all that junk...never wasted my time on it.
Jul 10, 2007 09:13 am Mom's coming 'round to put it back the way it oughtta be...
Jul 10, 2007 10:38 am If doomsday ever comes, it'll be due to asteroid or comet impact, not some cockamamy pseudo-scientific forecasted event.
Apophis anyone? It may not hit us but it put the fear of N.E.O.s in us!
Jul 10, 2007 10:43 am I got in the doomsday conversation with one of my wife's friends yesterday, conversation turned Biblical...as Revelations, if taken literally, is an interesting look at the end.
She kept quoting about believers disappearing and non-believers suffering the wrath of God for a while and such...I kept stressing that the Bible is beautiful in it's simplicity insofar as it never states how "the believers disappear", could be anything..."but it says 'gone in a flash'" she says, but it is also stated time is irrelevant to God, a thousand years being a minute and such...
It was an interesting conversation actually...
They worked on the "Gay Bomb" in the military, perhaps a "Believer Bomb" is in the works too, who knows... :-)
Jul 10, 2007 11:00 am - The man said to God, "What's a million years to you?" - God said, "A minute"
- So the man said to God, "What's a million bucks to you?" - God said, "A penny"
- So the man said to God, "Will you give me a penny?" - And God said, "Yes, I will....In a minute."
Bleak: You cracked me up on the 2013 Calendar. Made me think of all those stands in the malls.
Tad: What if the asteroid, or comet was something that the Mayans had some knowledge of?
I'm certainly not going change my life based on it, but I'll be keeping one eye on it...
I am, strangely, doing a lot of looking inward lately.
Jul 10, 2007 02:01 pm If somebody can prove to me that the Mayans had any ability to track the long-term motions of objects in space that are too small to see with the naked eye, then...well, actually I still wouldn't buy it :)
Jul 10, 2007 04:53 pm But glnflwrs did a little dissertation above on their ability to......oh, never mind.
Proof, you say?
Hmmmm...
Not sure if anyone can prove it. However, they (the Mayans) were able to base things on astronomical events that we've only recently "discovered" - plus the planetary alignment on 12/21/12 includes the "dark rift" that we only recently 'found.' I'm not saying that it's all absolutely true, I'm just keeping an open mind.
Jul 10, 2007 06:14 pm dB - Revelation of John is an interesting read, but in my opinion, not to be taken literally (like much of the bible). However, the apocrypha is full of apocolyptic texts, such as the Book of Enoch the Prophet. In the Nag Hammadi Library codexes we see a few apocolyptic books:
The Apocolypse of Adam
The First Apocolypse of James
The Second Apocolypse of James
The Apocolypse of Paul
The Apocolypse of Peter
So revelation doesn't really stand on it's own in this category of books.
Jul 10, 2007 06:22 pm I agree, I don't tkae Revelation literally, but that is a divisive topic in the Christian church, as some to take it literally...I look at it as more symbolic. However, the majority of the Bible I do take literally and believe it should be.
Jul 10, 2007 07:10 pm I find that looking as jesus as an archetype existing in our own psyche, and reading the majority of the bible (as well as other religious texts) as symbolic rather than literal, helps me to make sense of the religion and tie together some of the holes and loose ends. Of course, I am a heretic and my views on the matter are not the popular ones. Either way, I don't really care what other people believe as long as they are striving to somehow better themselves and not hurting anyone by doing so. And that's one of the major reasons I don't connect with or follow any one religion. Christianity is a decent religion, but christians (in a broad sense, nothing against you dB, or anyone else here who is a christian) have the tendency to be extremely stubborn and ignorant, and at times violent. This is true with ANY organized religion though. It's like someone said "Christ is cool, I just don't like his fan club".
Jul 10, 2007 07:16 pm Quote:
have the tendency to be extremely stubborn and ignorant, and at times violent.
I'll buy stubborn, but ignorant is unfair as any given person could have any range of knowledge or awareness of any topic and simply rejected it the way you are aware of and knowledgeable of religion and rejected it.
Violent...well, extremists in any religion, group, org or anything is capable of that...blame the player, not the game. Some people simply have bad wiring.
Jul 10, 2007 07:24 pm what I meant by ignorant is that you have several sects of christians out there who live these outrageous lives in the name of god or jesus, yet who are ignorant of the teachings of the christ. An example are those people who go out yelling "god hates fags". No, you may hate fags, but god doesn't. God is Love. They are ignorant of the teachings of christ because they choose to take only that which suits them. And this, like the Violence, is found in EVERY religion. I don't mean to sound like I am singlingg out christianity in some sort of flame war, because I truthfully am not.
Jul 10, 2007 07:28 pm yeah, God doesn't hate anything, but from what I have read he has very definite opinion about fagness. It's a classic example of "love the sinner, hate the sin".
Jul 10, 2007 08:21 pm exactly. Reminds me of the george burns line where he is god. "Why do you permit so much suffering?" god: "I don't permit it. YOU do"
Jul 10, 2007 08:38 pm That series had some of the greatest lines ever.
When he said how one can't have a top without a bottom, and in without an out, a left without a right...you can't have good without bad either. Even when I was a kid that hit home and made sense.
Jul 10, 2007 10:12 pm we're all ignorant.
that's why we're here.
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