Newby in need of guidance
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Posted on Jun 09, 2007 04:31 pm
Flow Freely
Member Since: Jun 09, 2007
What up folk? I see it's a lot of wisdom on this site, I hope y'all can help me. My thing is, I'm interested getting the fruity Loops 7 Producer eddition software but I need a computer that the software is (preferably perfectly) compatible with. I'm not computer literate in this area of computers, so i'm askin, what computer(s) can you think of or do you know of that possess the following components? (The cheapest of worth the better)
Minimum system requirements:
Minimum Pentium III or Athlon XP (any processor supporting SSE instructions)
Or Intel Mac with Bootcamp (running Windows XP)
Windows 2000/XP/2003/Vista
Minimum 256MB ram
200MB free harddisk space
Windows compatible soundcard with DirectSound drivers, ASIO drivers required for audio recording
(FL installer comes with generic Asio4All drivers)
I've looked at Dells and Hp's and what not, but all that info is foreign to me. I might have come across it, but need to know.
Thanks in advance to all help given. It is tremendously appreciated.
Be blessed.
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Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jun 09, 2007 05:27 pm Any of the new Dells and HP's will be more then capable of running it. Although the stock sound card will probably work it won't be a perfect solution. But there are a good deal of audio interface cards in the $100 range if you can swing that.
Also, one important thing is going Windows and making sure to do XP instead of Vista. Since at the moment Vista is not playing friendly with almost all audio hardware out there, save for a few.
M-Audio and ESI are two great audio interface cards with 2 channel ability and work a charm.
Are you going to be recording any outside sources such as guitar or anything? That might help get you pointed in the right direction for an interface as well.
And welcome to HRC as well.
Flashmannot the brightest spark...Member
Since: Sep 13, 2005
Jun 09, 2007 05:52 pm M Audio gear is great!
Jun 09, 2007 11:02 pm I would recommend staying away from dell and hp...
I have a new Inspiron 1501 but it sucks for audio production... I would personally go get either a mac or alienware.
VCRobPMember
Since: May 10, 2007
Jun 09, 2007 11:10 pm I use an AMD processor on Windows XP and I have a ton of memory and I only use it for recording ...no other processes at all running and I have never had any problems with latency or dropouts. The only thing I have to do every now and then is restart my Aardvark Audio Driver. I have the Direct Pro 24/96 Sound Card. Since Aardvark is no longer in biz I wasnt able to get an updated driver. I love my set up.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jun 10, 2007 12:43 am Thanx for reminding me Rob. Yep, I run AMD's XP 3800 Barton core on an MSI motherboard with 2 gigs of ram and don't have any problems at all. You may be able to find a local shop that will do a custom built for as good a price as you will find from any of the other makers.
Lex, I don't know why you always seem to have a problem with anything one of us recomends. How it is possible? Do you actually own all this stuff, if so that is one hell of a wad of money you have invested there!
Not sure if you have read much around here but a Mac can be one hell of an investment if you want to record at the upper levels with multi i/o interfaces and such. And to run Fruity on a Mac requires you to install extra software that converts it run like windows anyway.
And sorry to say, but I have modded many an Alienware PC for use running audio. They are a gaming PC and not set up for recording.
Jun 10, 2007 12:56 am Thanks to all for the help. Think I may have found it.
Can somebody tell me if the computer components match the list I've given before for the FL 7?Thanks again.
Key Features
Processor Core Duo 1.6 GHz
Installed Memory 1 GB (DDR2 SDRAM)
Hard Drive 100 GB Serial ATA, 5400 RPM
Display 17 in. WXGA+ TFT Active Matrix
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition
Mobile Technology Intel Centrino Mobile Technology
Processor
Processor Manufacturer Intel
Processor Type Core Duo
Processor Number T2050
Processor Speed 1.6 GHz
Motherboard
Chipset Intel 945GM Express
Bus Speed 533 MHz
Memory
Installed RAM 1 GB
RAM Technology DDR2 SDRAM
Max Supported RAM 2.048 GB
RAM Speed 533 MHz
Installed Cache Memory 2048 KB
Hard Drive
Hard Drive Capacity 100 GB
Hard Drive Rotation Speed 5,400 RPM
Storage Controller Type Serial ATA
CD / DVD
CD / DVD Type Dual Layer DVD±RW
Optical Drive Read Speed 24x (CD) • 8x (DVD)
Optical Drive Write Speed 24x (CD) • 8x (DVD+R) • 8x (DVD-R) • 2.4x (DVD+R DL) • 2x (DVD-R DL)
Optical Drive ReWrite Speed 10x (CD-RW) • 4x (DVD+RW) • 4x (DVD-RW) • 5x (DVD-RAM)
Display
Display Tech WXGA+ TFT Active Matrix
Display Size 17 in.
Display Max. Resolution 1440 x 900
Video
Graphic Processor Intel Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 950
Audio
Audio Output Type Headphones • Sound card • Speaker(s)
Audio Input Type Microphone
Operating System
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition
Platform PC
Technical Features
Expandability 1 x Type I/II PC Card Slot, 1 x SD Card Slot, 1 x Memory Stick Card Slot, 1 x MMC Card Slot, 1 x Memory Stick PRO, 1 x xD Card Slot, 1 x ExpressCard
Expansion Ports 4 x USB 2.0, 1 x IEEE 1394a (FireWire), VGA out, RJ-11 (modem), RJ-45 (NIC), S-Video out
Security Features HDD Password, Screen Blank (Hotkey), Slot For Cable Lock, Power-On Password, Administrator Password, Memory Screws
Input Method Keyboard • Multimedia Control Panel • Touchpad
Networking
Networking Type Integrated 10/100 Network Card • Integrated Wireless LAN
Data Link Protocol Ethernet • Fast Ethernet • IEEE 802.11a • IEEE 802.11b • IEEE 802.11g
Modem
Modem Type Fax / Modem
Analog Modulation Protocol ITU V.92
Battery
Battery Run Time 2.28 Hours
Battery Technology Lithium ion
Dimensions
Width 15.5 in.
Depth 10.8 in.
Height 1.64 in.
Weight 7.1 lb.
Warranty
Warranty 1 Year
Miscellaneous
Exterior Color Gray
MPN PSPA0U02S01M
UPC 032017607996
Release Date July, 2006
Product ID 34301907
Jun 10, 2007 12:59 am Oh, and thanks for the heads up about the Vista, I was seriously thinkin I was gonna want that before I found t his site. Saved me a lot of heartache. Thanks mayne.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jun 10, 2007 01:04 am And media Center edition is out as well. There appear to be only a couple of people that have gotten interfaces to work with it. And most of the software for recording does not like it either. IF you can do Windows XP that is what I would suggest for now.
Otherwise all the other goodies look splendid.
I am assuming form the description that is a laptop so you may be limiting your recording capability with the onboard sound card. It may playback and mix fruity stuff OK for now, but it won't be worth a hill of beans for recording.
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Jun 10, 2007 02:28 pm It won't be great with a 5400 rpm Hard drive. Too slow, in my opinion. SATA-1 runs around same speed as IDE drives, and nobody would recommend a 5400 drive for a music/audio PC.
If you'll be recording audio with it, the HD speed can become an issue quick. Playback of the processed tracks (softsynth, beats, etc) may not be so critical, but I'd still go for a faster HD if possible.
The Media Center edition of XP is NOT the same thing as windows XP. Usually XP professional is the version people speak of when saying XP. XP Home is a variant, and Media Center is a variant. Check for compatibility before you go chunking down $$$ for a laptop that may not play nice.
Check to see if you can get regular old XP-Pro instead, though I highly doubt it.
This is why people start building their own systems: control over all variables of the build and contents of a system.
Like Noize mentions, you will want to add a recording type interface right away, as the onboard sound isn't made for recording, just playback and gaming. I think maudio makes a 2496 pcmcia card that's got 2 channels. Again, I'd research compatibility with XP-MC and FL7 before dropping the $$$.
Yeah, also I agree, avoid Vista.
Jun 10, 2007 06:32 pm All is appreciated. More prevented mistakes. Thanks y'all.
I ain't try'na turn y'all into my personal tutors or nothin, but I got hopefully one more to ask y'all about. I'm still lookin around at other cpu's, but could y'all give me feed back on this cpu components?
Operating Systems: Genuine Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional Edition SP2
Platform: PC
Orientations Allowed: Vertical
Horizontal
Form Factor: Small Form Factor (SFF)
Bays: 1 - 5.25" Drive Bay
1 - 3.5" Drive Bays
Internal Bays: 1 - 3.5" Drive Bays
PCI Slots (Total): 2
Low Profile
PCI Slots (Available): 1
PCI Express X1 Slots (Total): 1, Low Profile
PCI Express X1 Slots (Available): 1
PCI Express X16 Slots (Total): 1, Low Profile
PCI Express X16 Slots (Available): 1
PCI Express Slots (Total): 2
PCI Express Slots (Available): 2
Expansion Slots: 4
PS/2 Keyboard Connectors: 1
PS/2 Mouse Connectors: 1
Serial Communication Ports: 1
Parallel Ports: 1
USB Ports: 8
LAN Ports: 1
Audio Out Jacks: 2
Line In Jacks: 1
Microphone Jacks: 2
VGA Ports: 1
DVI Video: 1
Processor Brand: AMD
Processor Class: Athlon 64 X2
Processor Number: 4200
Processor Speed: 2.20GHz
Processor Interface: Socket 939
Processors Supported: 1
Processors Onboard: 1
Additional Technologies: HyperTransport Technology
Dual-Core Technology
Memory Type: DDR
Memory Size: 512MB
Total Memory: 1.0GB
Memory Speed: DDR 400 (PC-3200)
Memory Slots (Total): 4
Memory Slots (Available): 2
Maximum Memory Supported: 4.0GB
Interface: SATA/150
Capacity: 160GB
Speed: 7,200RPM
Thanks again peeps.
Jun 10, 2007 06:35 pm Or this one......which is better and is either completely worth it?
Thanks,
Operating Systems: Genuine Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional Edition SP2
Platform: PC
Orientations Allowed: Vertical
Form Factor: Minitower
Bays: 2 - 5.25" Drive Bays
2 - 3.5" Drive Bays
Internal Bays: 4 - 3.5" Drive Bays
Available 3.5" Drive Bays: 5
Available 5.25" Drive Bays: 1
PCI Slots (Total): 2
PCI Slots (Available): 2
PCI Express X1 Slots (Total): 1
PCI Express X1 Slots (Available): 1
PCI Express X16 Slots (Total): 1
PCI Express X16 Slots (Available): 1
Expansion Slots: 4
PS/2 Keyboard Connectors: 1
PS/2 Mouse Connectors: 1
Serial Communication Ports: 1
Parallel Ports: 1
USB Ports: 8
LAN Ports: 1
Audio Out Jacks: 2
Line In Jacks: 1
Microphone Jacks: 2
VGA Ports: 1
Processor Brand: Intel®
Processor Class: Celeron® D
Processor Number: 352
Processor Speed: 3.20GHz
Processor Interface: Socket LGA775
Processors Supported: 1
Processors Onboard: 1
Memory Type: DDR2
Memory Size: 512MB
Total Memory: 512MB
Memory Speed: DDR2 533 (PC2-4200)
Memory Slots (Total): 2
Memory Slots (Available): 1
Maximum Memory Supported: 2.0GB
Interface: SATA
Capacity: 80GB
Speed: 7,200RPM
Jun 10, 2007 06:36 pm Are there any websites any of you know of where I could learn this technical stuff myself? That's a better question.
Jun 10, 2007 06:44 pm See...my bad. I keep findin what seems to be better stuff...I hope I ain't irritatin y'all.
This one feels like it might be the best i've come across yet, I hope i'm right.
Includes: Apple Remote, power cord, documentation, Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger, iLife '06, and Front Row
Intel Core Duo Processor 1.83GHz
2MB Shared L2 Cache
667MHz FSB
512MB of 667MHz PC2-5300 DDR2 SDRAM (expandable to 2GB)
80GB 5400RPM SATA HDD
Slot-Loading DVD-ROM/CD-RW Combo Drive - (write speeds) up to 2.4x DL DVD+R, 8x DVD-R, 8x DVD+R, 4x DVD-RW, 4x DVD+RW, 24x CD-R, & 16x CD-RW
Slot-Loading DVD-ROM/CD-RW Combo Drive - (read speeds) up to 8x DVD-ROM & 24x CD-ROM
Intel GMA 950 graphics processor with 64MB of shared Memory (memory is shared with the main system)
Ports - 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet, 1 FireWire 400, 4 USB 2.0, 1 DVI Out, 1 VGA Out (w/ included adapter), 1 S-Video and Composite Video Out, combined Optical Digital Audio In/Audio Line In, and Combined Optical Digital Audio Out/Headphone Out
Built-in Speakers
Built-in AirPort Extreme 802.11g Wi-Fi Wireless Network Adapter
Built-in Bluetooth 2.0+EDR (Enhanced Data Rate) module
Unit Dimensions - 2" (h) x 6.5" (w) x 6.5" (d)
Unit Weight - 2.9 lbs.
Ok....I'm bout to get off the computer. lol
Thanks for the guidance folk.
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Jun 10, 2007 10:28 pm i'm just gonna throw this out, but it seems you're all over the map.
first you're looking at laptops, then you're looking at AMD PCs, then Celeron, and now a mac.
It really seems you're not really sure you know what you want (no offense, just making an observation).
There's a ton of variables that should and can be addressed. Mac and windows are different animals, and both work well, depending on how you work and what you're used to.
I don't know if FL7 is mac compatible, so there's that.
Macs are mostly stable, though some don't like them at all. the software usually all works very well together, and most of the big name studios are mac, with protools. This combination becomes very hi-$$$ though, so i certainly would suggest starting out with that.
macs also can run nuendo, logic, and some others, garageband comes with it, i think, and there's several users on here using garageband with good success.
If you're real inspired, see if there's anyone you can watch using macs, and see if it speaks to you.
now on the PC side, there's a lot more issues to address. the systems can be pre-built, but you're kinda locked into their hardware, plus the software they put on the machine when you get it. some of it's not necessary, and a lot of it is not recording friendly.
self-built systems are my choice, and are also a choice of a lot of people on here. You can control all the variables, but you have to assemble and load it yourself. This way can be cheaper, in the long run, but demands some knowledge of pc building and tweaking.
What computers have you worked on, and what do you feel comfortable with? do you have a budget? auxiliary recording devices can increase the cost of the whole project, so computers play only a part.
I won't get into the laptop / desktop issue yet, hopefully you can figure out what's more useful to you. we can touch that issue later.
hopefully that will get some of your possibilities slimmed down a little.
Jun 10, 2007 11:47 pm I get you. Well, let me say this then.
This is gonna be my first computer, of my own. first computer i'm gonna have for audio recording. I've read about the FL7 being a complete software package. I read that I wouldn't need no other software to get a complete musical creation, unlike many (if not all) other music software systems. So, if FL 7 can provide that, then my thing is finding the cheapest compatible computer so I can get on with my dreams.
I'm more interested in finding a compatible cpu with the FL7 software, but would still be a great operation system. You can imagine from that, that this will be my only operation station for a while, and i've been sold on the FL 7 by the ad and some i've heard praise and use effectively the FL series, period.
Ultimately though, the best computer/software combination or package that can be put together is the main thing. I've been sold on FL7 for a while, so that's why that's been my drive, but whatever is best for me, at the best price, that's where I wanna be.
I'm the type that would rathe rput together my own computer anyway, but lack the knowledge needed. I got a friend that knows that knowledge, but he be on b.s. moves too much. It's gonna take too long to learn it, then know it, cause' i'm already way behind schedule. So i'm try'na get my production studio set up with the best functionality and affordability, so I can hurry up and get that.
Ok, having spelled out my whole delimma, if t was you...knowin what you know (without the knowledge of building a computer) what would you do? What would you get?
FL 7 is the dream, but again....i'm just lookin to make the most out my situation.
What ya got?
cooloFrisco's Most UnderratedMember
Since: Jan 28, 2003
Jun 11, 2007 02:42 am Ok, so I think for where you're at, you need to simplify. Since you don't want to take the time to learn about putting a computer together (which is understandable), you need to find one that fits your needs as is. Most people use FL7 for making beats. Is that what you want to do? What is it that you do want to do? Make beats? Record vocals? Record any other instruments? Also what is your budget? This is the main thing, as it will let us know what kind of comp you can get. You don't need a super duper computer to run audio software, including Fruity, but the better computer you get, the more you can do with it.
Another place to look besides Dell, HP is Tiger Direct. I bought my sister a system from Tiger Direct that was pretty decent (good enough to run FL7) for a pretty good price.
Jun 11, 2007 08:15 am Thanks. I'm sorry, I should have included that very information earlier...movin to fast. Yes, that's all i'm try'na do right now is make beats. Nothing else in the recording phase yet. I'll do my vocals elsewhere.
You mentioned Tigerdirect Coolo, and i've crossed that site, just didn't know what I was lookin at(components). I'm bout to go look over there again right now, (I guess just to tease my faith with a hint of closure) but as far as everything you said, you hit it dead on the number. I just wanna make beats, so in that sense, what are amongst the best computers for the FL 7 that come as cheap as possible?
Also, I read somethin of a problem of cpu's without fanbelts or somethin like that burnin out, so I wanna avoid that. If it means more cost, it just means more time and saving, but the need will be the need. So, what are among the best computers for this? Specifically, the cpu you bought for your sister, how "perfect" is it for the software? Are there better (affordable) buys?
Thanks for the support. Everyone. God bless y'all indeed.
Appreciate the love.
Jun 11, 2007 08:25 am Considering your experience level, I would strongly suggest going with a name brand PC just for support and warranty issues. For those of us that can assemble and support our own computers it's not such a big deal, but for people that can't, make damn sure what warranty and support comes along with any purchase.
Jun 11, 2007 08:39 am Indeed. Appreciate that. Have any suggestions of those that's gonna work best for/with the FL7?
Jun 11, 2007 08:52 am Any PC built in the last couple of years will run FL just fine...the best thing you can do is make sure you have plenty of RAM (a GB or so) since some sound samples can get quite large. Don't get too hung up on brand, you are better off buying for specs...just make sure the brand isn't something like "Billy Joe Jim Bob's PC's" or something...a recognizable, reputable name is best.
Jun 11, 2007 09:05 am Any PC in the last few years? I feel stupid as ****, lol. I mean, I did learn more important things, so it wasn't for nothin, but I could've been had the ball rollin. All's well. Least we can move on now. Thanks y'all again.
I'm lookin around still, but would still stand open to suggestions of computers to look into.
God bless.
Jun 11, 2007 09:09 am Yeah, at some points people look far too deeply into what computer to buy. It's actually sometimes a fairly simple choice...computers today are so fast and so powerful that they are more than 99% of computer users need. The only exceptions are audio/video work, 3d animation and other intensive processing work like that.
What you are doing, that being loop making/beat making doesn't necessarily work a PC as hard as many other aspects of audio production does, such as recording multiple instruments at once while playing back other tracks, processing effects and things.
You can get by on any semi-modern computer.
Jun 11, 2007 10:16 am So all that playin back other tracks, processing and things that you speak of aren't part of what i'd be doin?
You say I could get by on any semi modern computer, but I wanna make an investment that i'm sure I won't have to upgrade for at least a good while. So I wanna do more then get by with it. I want the cpu to be of the best affordable for what I need.
Also, all that audio/video stuff, if possible, I would rather see that packed into the same computer, which i'm sure hurts the price I desire, but I need to be free. Otherwise It'd be like goin into debt. I already ain't got no bread, so I don't wanna do that.
That's part of why i was lookin at the Mac computers.
But hey, uh, if It's best I wait on that, no prob. If it don't matter, i'd rather have it.
i just wanna make one purchase that's gonna have me straight for a while. No upgrades, no nothin.
Just one computer. I'm creative enough for me not to need other software/sound edditions and what not. I can take the smallest ability or accessibility and make much out of it.
So, I just wanna start to create it, not just dream it.
What computer(s) fit that mold? That 3d animation and all that you speak of?
Or, if Mac is best, what of other recording softwares is/are best that can replace that FL7
in it's own versatility? As independant as possible. That's the motive.
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Jun 11, 2007 10:25 am I just ran a config on a tigerdirect systemmax system.
I don't know how this'll format, but I'll give you the highlights:
AMD 64 X2 - 4400 ( 2.3g )
1 gig ram
First HD- 80g SATA II
Second HD - 160g SATA II (very good idea, to store samples, etc, separate from main HD)
17" LCD monitor
Comes with windows XP Professional installed, with option to upgrade to Vista.
upped from 350 to 500watt power supply.
1044$
That'd be a pretty fair PC, with lots of muscle to do what you're wanting, plus add lot's of possibilities in the future (audio, multiple softsynths, large midi works, etc).
Here's the link, though I'm not sure it'll attach to the correct page:
www.tigerdirect.com/cgi-b...amp;LineGroup=1
Anyone else have problems with system max? they seem to use all standard components, so it seems to be a pretty decent system.
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Systemax Ascent KMA BA3600 AMD Athon 64 X2 & genuine Windows Vista™ Business running Windows® XP Professional Build-to-Order Commercial Solution: AMD 690 Asus M2A-VM MB & 3 Year On Site Warranty
Printers: No Printer Selected
CD/DVD Drives: No Second Optical Drive Selected
Networking: Integrated Gigabit Network Adapter
Software: No Software Bundle Selected
Modems: No Modem Selected
Speakers: No Speakers Selected
Warranty: No Floppy Drive Selected
Accessories: 3 Year Parts & Labor Warranty w/ 3 Years Onsite
Hard Disk Drives: 160GB 7200RPM 3G SATA II Hard Drive
Keyboards / Mice / Input: Logitech Black Optical Mouse PS/2
Accessories: 3-Port Firewire PCI Card
Power Protection: No Surge Suppressor
Memory: 1GB DDR2 PC4200 Memory (512MB x 2)
Software: No Antivirus Software
Digital Cameras: No Camera Selected
Power Protection: No Power Protection
Cables: No Cable
CD/DVD Drives: 52X32X52/16x CDRW/DVD Combo Drive
Desktop Computers: Black Ascent Label
Removable Data Storage: 9-in-1 Card Reader Black
Computer Cases: Micro ATX Chassis Base
Accessories: Systemax Apex mATX Branding Pack
Monitors: 17" Black LCD Monitor
Keyboards / Mice / Input: Logitech OEM Value 100 Keyboard PS/2
Software: Microsoft Windows Vista Business
Components: Integrated Realtek ALC883 High-Def Audio
Video / Graphics Cards: Integrated ATI Radeon X1250 Graphics
Motherboards: Asus M2A-VM Motherboard:AMD 690 w/ATI X1250 Video
Power Supplies: 500 Watt Power Supply
Desktop Computers: Systemax Ascent KMA3800
Hard Disk Drives: 80GB 7200RPM 3G SATA II Hard Drive
Software: Microsoft Windows Vista/XP Professional Downgrade
Processors: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ 2.3GHz Dual Core Processor
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Jun 11, 2007 10:47 am Quote:
So all that playin back other tracks, processing and things that you speak of aren't part of what i'd be doin?
Well, recording is what uses the most resources...playing back does as well, but you are not playing back audio, you are playing back MIDI data that is converted into audio from a collection of samples sitting in memory.
Bottom line is beat making is far less demanding on a PC than audio recording and full production.
Jun 11, 2007 11:34 am lol. Everytime you answer my question, you do say in a way that creates another question. Full production? I'm try'na have my music as high quality as possible. Industry standard. No sense in try'na get ready to get another computer. So, will these computers that you speak of be capable of helping me reach that?
Furthermore, how "incomplete" of a production stage do you view my approach as being? How much more necessity do I need in order to do full production?
I mean, i'm try'na mix down, edit, all that....all that comes wit makin a mastery project. I know enough to know to that the real mastering will be done by the pros if I can get in those doors, but as far as mixin and what not, everything i'm seekin, eliminatin irrelevance noise or hiss, etc., how far away from full production do I stand with this approach?
Don't get me wrong, I ain't try'na be at the top of the game in technology right now, but I want the biggest capability from the lower if not lowest costing computer.
Jun 11, 2007 12:31 pm Ok. With the help of all of you, I was able to dodge certain mistakes i may have made, tell me if this is what i'm lokkin for please, folk.
Sony VGC-RC310G VAIO® Digital Studio Desktop PC - With this desktop computer, Sony gives you the latest in computer technology that's geared towards digital entertainment and multimedia creation. Powered by an Intel Pentium D dual-core processor 940 (3.2GHz), and 2GB of DDR2 SDRAM, you have the power to tackle the latest in PC gaming, professional-grade photo manipulation, and High-Definition Video capture and editing. A built-in Blu-Ray drive puts this desktop on the bleeding edge providing you with the ability to enjoy true HD movie content, as well as recording up to 25GB of Data per (optional) blank Blu-Ray disc. The drive also has the ability to write to, and read from, multiple DVD and CD media formats.
Product Features
Includes: 5.1 Channel Surround speakers, IR remote control and receiver/IR blaster, wireless keyboard, wireless mouse, Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 with Update Rollup 2, Adobe Photoshop Elements, Adobe Premiere(SM) Elements, Microsoft Works 8.5 with 60-day trial of Office 2003 (Student/Teacher) Edition, and much more.
Intel Pentium D dual-core Processor 940 (3.2GHz)
FSB - 800MHz
L2 Cache - 4MB
2GB of 533MHz DDR2 SDRAM
300GB 7200RPM SATA HDD (RAID Ready)
Blu-Ray Drive - (write speeds) up to 2x BD-R DL, 2x BD-R/-RE, 8x DVD+R DL, 4x DVD-R DL, 5x DVD-RAM, 8x DVD+R/-R/+RW/-RW, 24x CD-R, & 16x CD-RW
Blu-Ray Drive - (read speeds) up to 2x BD-ROM, 2x BD-RE, 2x BD-R DL, 2x BD-ROM DL, 5x DVD-RAM, 8x DVD-ROM, & 32x CD-ROM
2nd Drive - DVD-ROM
Expansion Bays - 2x 5.25" (0 open) / 1x 3.5" Ext. (0 open) / 4x 3.5" Int. (3 open)
Expansion Slots - 1 x16 PCI Express (0 open) / 1 x1 PCI Express (open) / 2 PCI (1 open)
Multimedia Card Reader - supports Memory Stick/PRO/Duo, Compact Flash Type I/II, Smart Media, SD/MMC, & xD Picture Card
NVIDIA GeForce 7600GT Graphics with 256MB of shared GDDR3 SDRAM (memory is taken from the main system's RAM)
Giga Pocket MPEG2 Realtime Encoder board w/ TV Tuner
Ports - 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet, 2 DVI Out (1 with HDCP), 7 USB 2.0 (3 front), 2 FireWire (6-pin rear/4-pin front), 1 Audio In, 1 S/PDIF Out, 1 Subwoofer/Center Out, 1 Analog Audio Out, 1 VGA Out, 2 S-Video In (1 front), 2 Composite In
Product Details
Processor Intel Pentium D
Optical Disc Drive DVD+-RW / CDRW / BluRay with DVD DL
Hard Drive (GB) 300
Memory - Processing RAM included 2GB
Memory - Processing RAM Maximum 2GB
Memory - Video RAM 256MB Shared
Connection - USB Front 3
Connection - USB Rear 4
Connection - IEEE1394 Firewire Front 1
Connection - IEEE1394 Firewire Rear 1
Connection - Parallel 1
Thanks
Connection - PS/2 2
Connection - VGA DB15 Analog Display 1
Connection - DVI HDMI Digital Display 2
Connection - TV Display Yes
Connection - Speaker Compatible 6 Speaker configurable
Connection - Media Card Reader Yes
Connection - Sound Yes
Expansion - PCI 1 Available
Connection - RJ11 Yes
Expansion - PCI Express 1 Available
Connection - RJ45 Yes
Connection - Video In / Out
Expansion - Drive Bay Internal 3 Available
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Media Center
Ethernet Capable Included
Software Pre-Installed by Manufacturer
Unit Dimensions - High 16
Unit Dimensions - Long / Wide 8
Unit Dimensions - Deep 18
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cooloFrisco's Most UnderratedMember
Since: Jan 28, 2003
Jun 11, 2007 12:32 pm Mixing your beat will be the most CPU intensive aspect of what you're doing, once you start adding effects like reverb and compression and such to your individual samples, synths, drums, etc. That will require a faster CPU. Just so you know, Dual core CPUs with a lower number are faster than regular or single core CPUs with higher numbers generally (measured in GHz).
I get by pretty well right now with a system that is much slower than the one pjk specced out for you. I think that one would work super for you if you had the cabbage to make it happen.
So far so good for my sister with the Tigerdirect Systemax system...
cooloFrisco's Most UnderratedMember
Since: Jan 28, 2003
Jun 11, 2007 12:41 pm Wow, the computer you just posted is incredibly fast. It will definitely do whatever you need it to do for a while. My only reservation is that I heard in the past (about 4 year ago, not sure if it still holds true) is that SONY Vaio computers didn't work well if ever wanted to upgrade components. Also, the Blue Ray drive is probably overkill for what you're doing, so you could probably save money if you found something similar without the Blue Ray drive.
Jun 11, 2007 12:43 pm If you must post these huge copy and paste specs, could you please format them with less carriage returns, that is frustrating as hell to scroll through.
Thanks.
VAIO's suck. I have had a few friends with 'ewm and haven't seen a good one yet that didn't have serious problems in the first 6 months. Sony builds those damn things cheap.
Jun 11, 2007 01:13 pm
As far as upgradin Coolo, I can do without. The overkill you speak of, if it doesn't mess up the music, then I don't mind overkill. Cause eventually i'm gonna wanna upgrade my grind, like to videos and such, not necessarily the equipment i'm using. Help me dream bigger too, lol.
But, DB, what type of problems have your friends run into?
And still, is there still one specific recommended computer out there for the FL7?
Jun 11, 2007 01:22 pm I thought I posted this already...my bad,.
I been checked out the link PJk, but it just took me to computer startin at $699, with configuration options. Is that what you were talkin bout?
Plus, it was advised that Vista was bad for what i'm try'na do, so in the description you gave, I don't know if that would work. Thanks still for helping me get further along.
I'm still open to more suggestions, cause if the Viao ain't it...the search continues
Jun 11, 2007 01:25 pm I have seen hard drive crashed, monitor connection break, once the motherboard went out, in all cases it was also a long, painstaking process to get any help/support...
The real downside of buying name brand is that, while you are promised, and entitled to support, it's hard to get sometimes. If you can find a small local shop that can build you a custom one, and support it, that may be a good way to look too.
There isn't a "built for FL" computer out there, but if you get a good, well built modern PC, it'll work fine.
I think this thread and this decision is being incredibly over-thought.
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Jun 11, 2007 01:50 pm I was thinking that might happen, my PC holds the cookie, that has all the data put into it.
Yes, that's one. Click on 'Edit Config', then take the 'cut & paste' I included in my post, and fill out your own system, based on the line items you see on my list. Just compare each config point to my list, to create the same thing.
Vista doesn't come loaded on that PC. Windows XP Professional is what's loaded when it's shipped. They give you a coupon to upgrade to Vista when you're ready. Just don't use it in this case.
You'll want to include an audio interface card of some sort, as the system comes with built-in sound, which you won't want to use.
You'll also want some type of speaker / monitors. You can go cheap here, but may not want to. The better you hear, the better you mix.
On the list, you can swap out some things, like better memory, or more of it. You can up the LCD to 19" instead of 17". You can up the Hard drives to bigger size, but still use 2, to keep your windows separate from your audio stuff. You can up the processor to the highest too, if you're inclined to spend the $$$. You can also upgrade the video card, to be able to use 2 monitors at once. That's a handy feature that I've been doing for years: two monitors = twice the screen real estate. You'd need a second monitor though.
hth
Jun 11, 2007 02:38 pm DB, this ain't overthought, cause every computer I brought up seemed to be a bad move for one reason of another. From Hp's to Dell's to Mac's to Laptops' to Sony...so, ain't no way this can be overthought when every purchase I considered would've waisted my money.
I na, i know it ain't no "built for FL7" cpu, lol, but I don't wanna be stuck wit more wasted time And money. So, I gotta be particular.
Far as the updated info PJk, thanks. i'm still lookin around, cause that's more then I wanna pay for a cpu, but i'ma definelty hold on strong to that one. Plus, for whatever reason, my spirit just ain't sold into that one yet.
Maybe it's my mind, I'll figure it out.
thanks y'all
Jun 11, 2007 03:13 pm Well, every one you brought up somebody has a bad comment about. You will find that anywhere. I think Vaio's suck, thats my experience, but for that many people use them perfectly happily.
It is over-thought insofar as you can't be told what to buy. I stand by my first statement. You buy a modern PC today, regardless of brand or lack of a brand, provided the hardware is sound, it will work for what you want to do. Hardware is a crap-shoot regardless of brand or anything like that.
Behind every single brand of anything lies a few unhappy consumers.
Jun 11, 2007 03:28 pm You right about that. Always somebody unsatisfied with somethin. So I probably was overthinkin this sht, huh? indeed.
I thank y'all though, mayne. I value the help y'all gave me, cause now i'm a good world wiser then what I was about this investment I need to to make for myself. I think i'ma run with that Vaio though, cause it overall, pricing wise, especially for it's ability, is the best for me right now.
I'm just gonna go into it with God on my side, knowin that's enough, I just hope he don't have no "desireable struggles" for me to encounter with this equipment. At least not for a while. If things go right, i'll just get another one in 6 months, lol, if it don't mess up sooner, if at all. Faith is powerful though.
Anyway though folk. Thanks for the help.
God bless. One love.
Jun 11, 2007 03:33 pm That much money is always something to think about and investigate, you were right about doing that, but part of research is knowing what matters and what doesn't.
Good luck with it, Hope it works for ya. God on your side is about as good as you can get.
Jun 11, 2007 04:09 pm Indeed
