Jun 07, 2007 09:31 pm If you're just going to put your old hard drive into a new computer, or a new computer around your old hard drive, I don't see why you'd have to reload.
Simple question, I think, maybe not, not to me anyway
Posted on Jun 07, 2007 09:15 pm
Walt
Chief Cook and Bottle Washer
Member Since: May 10, 2002
Tiger Direct got here tute suite' quick like and I have a MB, CPU, and supportive hardware to change up. Will I need to reload MicroSlop XP after the physical upgrade? Graphics card stays the same, all other add on cards stay same.
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Jun 07, 2007 09:31 pm If you're just going to put your old hard drive into a new computer, or a new computer around your old hard drive, I don't see why you'd have to reload.
Jun 07, 2007 10:38 pm That's what I'm ah hopen my friend. Loading the os disk isn't bad, it's the two days of updates after loading the disk that annoyes me.
Jun 08, 2007 11:47 am I'm pretty sure you will have to reaload since you're changing the components. I think you should reload, it makes sense to reload XP every now and then anyway and since you're changing the underlying hardware then who knows what problems you might have if you don't.
Jun 08, 2007 12:18 pm I agree, MS will be having fits trying to find it's systems calls and other innards that got loaded with the previous processor and MB.
Then it'll try to load all kinds of new stuff to work with the new CPU & MB. Then you'd end up with a franken-stein type OS, bits of the old, and bits of the new.
Reload would be my choice, for sure.
Jun 08, 2007 12:49 pm It all depends on how much you really hate the install hassles. It may run fine as is. Running it to see if everything works right - then wipe the drive if necessary - is what I would do. But then, I dislike the reformatting chores as much as Walt does..
Jun 08, 2007 09:03 pm Hey guys. I really .... really do appreciate the help. Not that it changes the outcome, but this has been a process. I just re-loaded XP a couple of weeks ago. I picked up Cubase 4 and it was choking up. The reload made a MAJOR difference, as it had been awhile and I did have some other junk in there in the past. But the old single stroke 240 would just not handle a song with a lot going on.
Well it's D-day. Gonna start pluckin and replacing parts now. Off we go!
Jun 11, 2007 09:59 am Ok, just in case anyone does a search on this topic in the future: There was no choice to be had. XP went belly up and would not even load in safe mode although it did make it to the point of asking. For the first time XP actually gave me the option of formating the operating HDD and reformating! So Yup, Reload XP, call the activation center because it's on a new machine, do 2.2 Kabillian updates..... But it's up and running!
Jun 11, 2007 10:12 am Oh, yeah, reload guaranteed with a significant hardware change, MB or stuff like that...every time unless it's swapped for the exact same board, then most of the time too.
Sorry I didn't catch this thread earlier (just got back from a short North Shore vacation later yesterday evening) or I would have promised you'd have to...and offered to bet good money to anyone willing to bet.
Old school FAT-based OS's like Windows 95, 98 and ME you could swap out most anything and only spend hours fighting driver issues...but you could do it...not with XP...ever.
Jun 11, 2007 11:04 am hmmm i've pulled my old win 98 'slave' drive (FAT32) and dropped it into a different xp system twice now and it's worked fine....ofcourse i didnt' have windows on IT either. did ya check your jumpers on the drive? i pretty much use my 200GB Segate as a bonafied USB drive...ofcourse it's IDE though...but it's always been plug and play for me.
Jun 11, 2007 11:08 am slave drives are on thing, OS drives are a completely different animal.
Jun 11, 2007 11:15 am ahh, i thought thats what he was tryin' to install...my bad
Jun 12, 2007 08:42 am Regardless, it's always good to see you guys. It is working much better now.
Monitoring in Cubase, ASIO usage went from 90-some percent to 10%
Using Microsoft monitor CPU usage went fro 90 some% to peaking at 40%, Disk usage is under a percent. Paging is up there around 80 to 90%, but I don't know if that is a problem or not.
Jun 12, 2007 09:08 am Glad it workin out for ya. Always look forward to you poking your head in HRC for a couple days...
Jun 12, 2007 09:51 am Always look forward to poking! :)
Jun 12, 2007 11:24 am That is kinda high for paging. It can start taxing your OS drive fairly often, if you're paging that much.
Is this paging 90% when you're doing music stuff? or just idle.
If you have 2 drives, then make sure the paging file is on the C drive (with window system files).
I can't remember if XP will try to use both drives, but it's worth a check with the paging that high.
With your paging file on the OS drive, then your audio drive shouldn't have a problem.
Go into Control Panel --> System --> Advanced Tab --> Settings (under Performance) --> Advanced Tab --> Change (under Virtual Memory)
Change this so there's only the C: drive, and set the initial size and max size to the same, I'd say 1.5 times your actual RAM memory (if I remember correctly). i.e., if you have 1g memory, set the virtual memory to 1.5g.
Anyone else have better settings, chime in, as it's been awhile since I knew the optimum settings for virtual memory.
Jun 12, 2007 08:39 pm I do 2 times the amount of ram and it seems to work pretty well both here and at work.
Indeed Walt, sorry I didn't catch this as well. I'm a really bad person for that. XP indeed will not under any circumstances allow you to change out major hardware without a re-install. MoBo and CPU are major. Ram and other slight goodies are no problem but those two will cause a problem for sure.
Glad ya got is sussed though.
Jun 13, 2007 09:57 am I say this constantly, but it's true, this site is the one-stop-shop for dern neer anathin! After work I will get in there and make those changes/checks. It was a little wierd. When I first brought the system up the paging was high at idle. That ended before long at all and it settled down to nothing at idle. Now the paging is high when running C4 with a fairly intense (not big by any means) load on it, say 40 tracks or just under that.
For my next trick! I'm setting up dual Nics in two of the computers so I can keep the studio away from the net and use a gig-net for transfering files localy. Just a glutton for punishement I guess.
Jun 13, 2007 10:02 am Yes, hard-set the paging file (I do 2.5 times the RAM) it makes your disk perform better as easier to manage when the system knows the paging file size rather than having it fluctuate. Also,many disk management apps (Norton SpeedDisk, Diskeeper, etc) will often have the option of placing your paging file on the fastest part of your disk too, which boosts performance a little bit and decreases seek time for paging file contents.
Jun 13, 2007 10:20 am Yeah, Walt. We're gunna call you techo-walt.
Do yourself a favor when setting up your network: put little stickers or markers on the back of the network card, saying which network port is which. I have 3 on a server in my basement, and it's jolly fun to remember which one is which.
Like the internal network port, label with blue sharpie, then the external, mark with red sharpie. Something like that.
Jun 13, 2007 10:20 pm PJK,
Your darn tootin! I'm doin it right now. I'm also naming everything in software e.g. connections with names that refer to what I'm trying to accomplish. So far the network segment that is connecting the two computers only, with no internet connection is snafu. Limited or no. I'm sure I'm over my head on this one....but hey, that's how I learns!
Jun 13, 2007 10:56 pm dB, 2.5 works well. I am going to have to set mine up and try it there. I think the main box is slightly over 2 but not sure.
If it works here I guess I'm going to have to spend an evening at work setting everyone with speed problems up to that as well.
Walt, I will be switching the network here to gigabit as well soon. Got a nice gigabit switch and just need the router now as that is my bottle neck.
Jun 13, 2007 11:13 pm Ok, Gang's all here!
This is just too cool. Anyway, I came to this solution the realtec 100mb nic on the mb was just fighting too much with the 1G nic installed pci. I went into bios, shut down the realtec, ran both machines with 1g nic's through a 1g switch. Walla!
Ok I don't have two seperate segments to the network, but I do have 1g connection between the two computers I am doing large transfers between and am switched up into the router and out to the internet. Plenty of protection being behind things and main goal accomplished.
Shew! computers.....makes me crazy!
Jun 13, 2007 11:32 pm rock! glad things are workin' out!
yeah, i've pretty much exausted all my efforts to get sound out of my new brat computer....which sucks, cuz it's my internet computer and i can't listen to ANYTHING. it's a motherboard problem (i think) and isn't really worth puttin' any money into new hardware. i can't wait to replace it.
Jun 14, 2007 12:56 am Thanks WYD!
Ya, I just time tested the set up and it takes no longer to transfer files between the two computers as it takes to transfer files between drives on one. I can deal with that for sure.
Where I get frustrated is with compatibility issues. And there are sooooo many of them lurking out there. It is extra work and often times some brain-strain, but, I have gravitated into building my own. Especially with the specialized utilization per our audio applications. I went into a computer store to pick up a graphics card and the salesperson immediately asks "what game are you playing?". I responded "none". Dead air, impass. I told him I wanted something that would minimize taxing system resources. Dead air, impass.
Thank God for the folks here at HRC. Most articles I find on the net at large are all philisphical in nature. Explaining networking in terms of little trucks carrying packages between warehouses and crap like that. It's here where I get resonses like above. Click on......then....set to.....end. Now that is helpfull!
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