Vista vs XP
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Posted on Jun 02, 2007 02:31 am
Lexalotacus
Mamma Jamma
Member Since: May 20, 2007
Im sorry guys but I have to say Vista is horrible... at least until they can release a not-so-blackhole version.
What I mean about blackhole is that vista consumes all your system resources, drains your ram and cpu like crazy just so the desktop can look pretty?
I just got a new dell inspiron laptop:
AMD turion 62x2 dual core tl-56
2 gigs ram
120 gig HD
radeon xpress 200m
As you can see I managed to get a pretty nice comp and even though vista does look pretty cool and have a few cool features, the few of us that are serious about our demanding programs will continue to use XP professional.
Anyhow, Im gonna make a rad recording and post it. Keep looking!
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Jun 02, 2007 10:43 pm Disable all the fancy stuff, I did that back when I ran XP. Run the classic view and turn off your updates and screensaver and all that stuff the computer must think about. It helped a little when I ran XP. (I'm a mac guy now.)
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jun 03, 2007 12:34 am Vista is nothing but a large garbage pile. As far as I'm concerned I won't be upgrading to Vista in a long while.
But indeed, you can go in and shut down a lot of the system functions. Be careful doing that though if you don't know exactly what is what you can crap things up in a hurry. Even then Vista is not DAW friendly at the moment. Cakewalk is the only one out there that has bullet proofed there DAW against the evil that lurks in Vista. But every update in Vista brings a new headache. Wait until you try to find drivers and keep them updated for it.
Jun 03, 2007 04:42 am (fearing the arrival of my laptop)
Jun 03, 2007 10:34 am Well, a "garbage pile" is a serious exaggeration. I know many, many people that are using perfectly happily. Those people typically use it for much more standard tasks. As typical with most OS updates, the standard usage is fine, bugs and problems start popping up when doing less standard things...audio recording is among those things.
Most OS's should allow options to disable tons of crap...look into those.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jun 03, 2007 05:22 pm Well OK, so I exaggerated a bit. OK more then a bit. Yes, for the normal person it will probably be only an annoyance having to deal with the thing constantly phoning home to tell MS what it is doing. At work we just purchased 6 new PC's to try Vista on and it did not like being put on the network and was popping up warnings with every application change made. So back they went until they can deal with it. I personally didn't see anything real fancy that turned my crank in it though. Most of the desktop stuff were things I would shut off anyway and never use. But for some I am sure it will be the next greatest thing.
TadpuiI am not a crook's headMember
Since: Mar 14, 2003
Jun 03, 2007 06:38 pm Yeah Vista isn't all that bad. Just revert back to the classic view like everybody does with XP to get rid of the useless bells and whistles. Its the same interface as XP, NT, Server 2003 and Win2000 at heart.
Its a young OS, and there is definitely a serious lack of hardware support for it amongst pro audio manufacturers. Still waiting for M-Audio to get off their asses and get some drivers for the Delta series cards for Vista.
It is certainly memory hungry though. At idle right after bootup, it already has a claim on 1/3 of my 2Gb of RAM. But I haven't run into any performance problems with it.
The only other issue I have is with the PlugPlay service, which for some reason comes alive every 5 minutes and makes any playing audio stutter for a second or two. Thats so freaking annoying and I have yet to see a fix for it.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jun 03, 2007 07:59 pm So you haven't found a way to dissable plug n play even temporarily? Thats not good. We run a software that links in with our sales data base called SASS and Vista did not like it at all. SASS is very memory hungry as well and didn't play nice with Vista gobbling up memory. But yes, about 1/3 is what I saw as well sitting idle with spikes past that every 2 to 3 minutes. I think it was arguing with the SASS software.
But ya, very few drivers from anyone as of yet. I think Line 6 jumped on it pretty rapidly and fixed gearbox and the USB drivers set right off.
Jun 03, 2007 09:26 pm Yeah
Jun 03, 2007 09:34 pm Sad thing is, I actually had to go back to vista because this laptop doesnt support XP... I tried and it was crashing left and right... couldnt even run mcafee without issues...
Anyhow, vista wont be so bad once they start releasing fixes and better driver updates..
Jun 04, 2007 12:46 am we just bought a vista system and we're forced for to wait until all our software company's (steinberg, adobe ect.) to "catch up"....i try to keep a positive attitude and remind myself "we're beein' ahead of the curve"
heh, but as for now, it's a paperweight!
TraceMember
Since: Jun 02, 2007
Jun 04, 2007 01:17 am With all newer Windows OS's It will take a while for Microsoft to get Vista up, ready and even better than XP
TadpuiI am not a crook's headMember
Since: Mar 14, 2003
Jun 04, 2007 10:41 am Noize,
Since PlugPlay is a service, you can always stop it through the Services panel, but I get the impression that its integral to the normal operations of the OS so I'm not sure how the PC would get along with that service paused or stopped. I'll give it a try though because its really annoying to have those stutters every few minutes while listening to music.
Jun 04, 2007 11:04 am Never heard of a laptop that can't support XP?? The underlying codebase is quite similr and there are no Vista only hardware devices out there yet ????
Jun 04, 2007 12:20 pm Well yeah but Vista doesn't crash like Xp did...
The only problem Im having is popping and clicking audio glitches... I think my tonepot is crapping out on me...
Jun 04, 2007 12:26 pm I never had a crashing problem with XP...actually, I find XP to be the greatest OS M$ ever released...and I have from day 1...but then, I was a late adopter as well...
Pops and such could easily be from background processes turning on and off, the OS phoning home and monitoring every media file you touch to make sure you aren't doing something naughty...Vista has loads of that crap in there as far as I read...I'll be a late adopter for Vista too...actually, I am a late adopter of everything from M$...especially something as critical as an operating system.
Jun 04, 2007 12:46 pm No XP crashes here either, virtually never at work or at home on 3 PCs.
Did you install the Toneport Vista drivers ? Check out the Line6 forums, there's probably some tips there.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jun 04, 2007 07:12 pm Yep, Line 6 released the updates to gearbox and the USB drivers right as Vista released. Cakewalk as well released just prior to the Vista release. But then Cakewalk worked hand in hand with M$ throughout the 64 bit OS and onward to make sure they were ahead of the curve.
And no XP crashes here as well. Not even on my older PIII that is now relegated to a surf box for downloading and such. Any crashes I suffered were due to my own miss use of the OS and shakey install's of third party plugs and such. Nothing that was not easily fixed though.
I agree, XP has been more then stable here.
zekthedeadcowEat Spam before it eats YOU!!!Member
Since: May 11, 2002
Jun 04, 2007 09:42 pm The only real brickwall I ran into with XP was with using a networked HP printer... and that dealt with the firewall I think...and only XP Pro... but it was more HPs fault... It was a "Ooops... yeah... um...we're not going to fix that. Sorry." type situation. When I called HP with a problem with the network scanning it was a monty python "Argument Clinic" situation because I used Linux and they don't support linux at all...even for web interfaces... which are OS independent...
When I called M$ customer service (for something other than a manual activation[bastards]) they at least told me an alternative way of doing something when I ran into a bug they wern't going to fix. (using config.msc instead of msconfig)
I was an early adopter of XP and I paid for it with everything except blood... I think... The joyous time of when XP was CONVINCED my Aardvark Q10 was actually an ethernet adapter was fun... That took until SP1 to stop...
Jun 06, 2007 04:36 pm Gotta say, I really REALLY dont like Vista.
I'm sure its probably good it's good points but as yet, I aint found em ....
And it does seem to have its own little "way" of doing everything....certain apps also have compatability issues still and I believe, a shedload of older hardware just wont play ball...
Ach, Im keeping XP ;-D
Coco.
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Jun 06, 2007 05:24 pm I installed a client PC w/ vista. It's definately slower in general for feel. screen movements, etc seemed like I was on a P450.
That said, I'm very happy with XP, and will stay until it totally craps out and doesn't function for me anymore (should be awhile).
I plan to migrate to Linux before that happens though =).
