New track: 'Come & Go'
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Jan 16, 2003 11:16 am yeah, very cool...its mega oasis-y ... are those the wonderwall chords at the start?...if they're not, they sound pretty close!
Since: Jul 01, 2002
but yeah, cool, like it!
Jan 16, 2003 11:19 am I was impressed by the acoustic sound that you achieved - what Mic did you use to do that?
Since: Dec 30, 2002
The vocals were also clear - very well produced - sounds like you've employed my multi-tap delay trick ;)
Only thing that I thought was a bit weak were the drums, but then these are damn hard to capture well - they seemed very dry (touch more hi-frequency reverb possibly?)
Also in the 2nd Verse (1:32) - a hi-hat comes in, I take it it's sampled? IMHO I don't think it sits too well in the mix, and is definatly a bit too high.
Failing that, very nice work - sounded very professional. I will have to check out some more of your work in the future.
ps - yeah, I got that "Wonderwall" feeling too ;)
Jan 16, 2003 05:03 pm Thanks :-)
Yeah, my girlfriend pointed out the Wonderwall similarity too. The song isn't inspired by Wonderwall at all - basically its just the first chord, Em7, and a similar strum. I wrote the song in 1998 and no-one picked out a similarity on the demo version, I think its just the strum pattern is more close on this one.
The drums are samples and I acknowledge they aren't my strong point - I'm more concerned with getting the overall strength of the song across than individual parts.
The vocals have a mono delay on them and also a little reverb. Vocals and acoustic were recorded with the AKG C1000 mic.
Its good to hear opinions on the recording itself as I see myself more as a songwriter than singer/musician/producer.
Anyway, thanks for listening :-)
flame...bringing sexy backMember
Jan 19, 2003 10:24 am so do i actually...and i didnt think any of it was that bad really...nothing jumped out at me so no problem i say!
Since: Jul 01, 2002
tonyd1970The fat one always watches us.Member
Jan 19, 2003 03:48 pm Its smooth, clean and tight. Great vocals- it all fits. great job.
Since: Nov 08, 2002
Jan 24, 2003 08:50 pm Thanks again :-)
And for anyone who never caught it first time its now up at my mp3.com page (where it streams better)...
Jan 25, 2003 03:42 am sounds good man, you really have the right voice for that style of music. and i like the bass synth lingering off in the right channel from start to finish, it gives the track some pop solidity. way to go!
just curious.. i notice that the master wasn't compressed and the song rarely peaks to 0dB. It seems to keep the dynamics soft and the whole songs stays mellow that way, so was this done on purpose?? -j
Jan 25, 2003 07:57 pm Thanks for the comments!
Glad you liked it :-)
I can't say it was a totally deliberate thing to keep the levels from staying on 0db but I was aware of the dynamics of the track and didn't want to lose that.
I have built-in mastering effects on my 16-track and what I usually do is eq each individual track and then apply a mastering effect, which I usually have to adjust. In the case of "Come & Go" because of the dynamics it was quite difficult to keep the level so close to 0db without it going over at certain points so I sacrificed the overall level slightly.
Jan 25, 2003 10:20 pm sounds great nontheless. i notice alot of chill commercial music is master in a similar fashion, with only the most minimal compression/normalization.
Jan 27, 2003 05:42 pm Thanks again :-)
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Jan 27, 2003 05:52 pm I like it a lot! Very nice and smooth. I can see where some would get that "Oasis" vibe, but I don't think it's at all significant. I agree with jues about the drums, but overall, the sound is great and I think the song is very well written and performed. I joined your newsgroup and I'll be looking forward to hearing more music from you.
Bye the way, I know it's a big town and all, but any chance you've ever heard of a guy named Andy McAbe? I was there about this time last year and caught an acoustic show of his. Very nice guy and great performer.
Jan 28, 2003 07:09 am Thanks for listening!
...and joining up.
I can't say I've ever heard of Andy McCabe. Where in Edinburgh did you see him play?
Jan 28, 2003 10:56 am I figured that would be the case. Unfortunately, I can't remember the name of the place, but it was a little place down at the one end of town over the bridge. The pub was downstairs and there was something else above it. I wish I could remember the name of the place. We really had a good time there seeing some live local music.
Jan 28, 2003 01:09 pm I'm basically repeating what some others have said, but I agree that the vox sound great, and your vocal style sits great in that song. Also, the guitar IS very Oasis sounding, but I agree its the strum and just a similar sound, not necessairly using same chords.
Since: Apr 05, 2002
The drums are what doesn't sit right though. The second verse thing that was said, it's a rim click, in the right channel, and its just a little too lound, and present, in the mix. I think a little reverb and lowering the level slightly would detract the attention from it and let the listener concentrate on the vocals and the lessage of the song. I think when it comes down to it, that is what is most important. Not neccesarily that the mix is great, but that nothing detracts from the focus, which is in this case the vocals and guitar.
One other suggestion is to put some more lows into it. Especially the bass and kick drum. GOt a great mid and high range, but not enough lows to support the fat sound that you have.
Great job on the chorusing vox by the way. Sit great and have that "just far enough away" feel to make it sound very cool. Overall I like the song though, it sounds like something I'd make out to. THAT is a good compliment!
Jan 28, 2003 05:03 pm The place wasn't called 'Belushis' Blueninjastar?
Its sort of an American themed bar (torquoise blue colour from the outside) and its beside Waverley train station, just along from North Bridge. They have open mic nights, etc... I've played there myself a few times.
Sharc, thanks for the comments. A few people have commented on it being a 'dope-smoking song' but I've never had anyone say they'd make-out to it - cool! lol
After being familiar with the recording for a few weeks now I have to say the mix still sounds good to my ears. Usually I'm very critical of my own stuff but everything sits well to me. I can see where the hi-hat thing is coming from but I reckon its got a lot to do with it being in mp3 form or streamed cos when I play the original on a CD player its not quite as noticeable...same goes for the stronger bottom-end you were talking about...its more prominent.
Obviously there are things I'd add/subtract/change if I had better facilites and more instruments available to me but overall I got pretty close to the sound I was aiming for.
Thats not meant as a knock to anyone cos I value all your opinions and this is a recording website afterall.
Jan 28, 2003 05:33 pm The place we were at sounds pretty similar to what you're describing. You'll have to forgive my inability to remember details! I just remember from the train station, we first crossed the street and went right. Shortly, we came upon an HMV store and went in there and asked for some opinions on a place to go see some live music. It was near there. I think it might have been the North Bridge we went on. Not sure. I'm looking at a map and it's still hard to visualize. I do definitely remember that they had a sign out front advertising an "Open Mic Night". So, you may be right. If memory serves me, we went down the stairs which were at the far left end of the pub. The bar was at the opposite end. Near the stairs, there were some doors that led out to the street that were used for loading equipment in/out. Any of this sound familiar?
Jan 29, 2003 07:57 pm It could be 'Belushis' although that whole area around North Bridge is where most of the open mic scene goes on in Edinburgh...so could be a number of places really!
Jan 29, 2003 10:19 pm I guess I'll just have to go back and figure it out! I really had a great time in Edinburgh. If it just wasn't so damn cold! Being from Southern California, January in Scottland was a bit of a shock to say the least. But it was well worth it and I found out a little secret... it's not cold at all inside the pubs!
Jan 31, 2003 07:16 am Tell me about it!
Its freezing cold these days - but like you say its always warm in the pubs...especially with a good malt whisky!
Jan 31, 2003 10:51 am I'll drink to that!
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