Recording with NI Guitar Rig 2

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Member Since: Apr 06, 2007

I have an issue that needs a good fixin.

First, the soundcard I use is Soundblaster X-FI.

I only use the standalone for guitar rig 2, and the problem I have is two things.

One - When I use the recording panel WITHIN guitar rig, after I record a riff and try to save it, somehow the effect I used to record with is bypassed and the saved .wav file is a dry signal. There is an option in the recording panel - "Play at input" or "Play at output". I tried saving under both and nothing happens.

Two - I want to be able to have my standalone functioning and record directly with a secondary program...I want to use cool edit pro. Since I have everything set up, cables, pre-amp etc etc going straight to my soundcard, shouldn't it record with WET with the effects straight into cool edit? It isnt for some reason...Like I said in problem "One", the recording is dry.

The only alternative I have found is to set my soundcard to "record what you hear" function, and that works fine...it records with the selected effect, however, that doesnt help me much if I want to use a metranome...it would record the constant clicking.

Also..I am aware that you can import a pre-recorded .wav file into the recording panel and then save that .wav with the new wet effect applied...but I still havnt been able to figure that out either...

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

-Justin

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Czar of Turd Polish
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Since: Jun 20, 2006


Apr 06, 2007 05:21 pm

So you are applying the FX within guitar rig, or from the XFi?

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Since: Apr 06, 2007


Apr 06, 2007 09:48 pm

The effects are presets within Guitar Rig, and when I play it's all gravy...recording is another issue

Czar of Turd Polish
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Apr 06, 2007 09:57 pm

I would assume that it is a setting withing the software, but I honestly have not played with it. I will download the demo and check it out on my audigy 2.

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Apr 06, 2007 11:29 pm

^^cool man thanks, let me know what you discover

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Apr 07, 2007 12:34 am

Yep the signals will be dry, but what if you just get the Guitar Rig to run as VST effect in your Cool Edit guitar track and then apply it later to the track signal itself? - Just a suggestion. Technically speaking, from what I understand (correct me if i'm wrong), the input signals will be recorded AS IT IS before the soundcard unless you have any effect units working beforehand.

Understand that you want the recorded signal wet, but thats the purpose of having Guitar Rig so that you can somehow change into any other effect presets they have there.



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Since: Jul 02, 2003


Apr 07, 2007 01:50 am

If you want to record the wet signal inside CEP, you would need to select either "Wav" or "What You Hear" as the input in the SB's control panel.

Dan

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Since: Jan 18, 2003


Apr 07, 2007 02:17 am

is gtr rig any good? i didnt like the sounds i heard.

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


Apr 07, 2007 07:30 am

I haven't seen GtrRig (it's the only product NI won't forward on to me for review for some reason) but I am wondering if there is a preference in there for different outputs, wet and dry, much like many amp modelers have like the POD.

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Apr 07, 2007 01:26 pm

"ciinx" - Yea, I was aware of that option and tried it with Soundforge...for some reason Cool Edit cant find and/or recognize GR as a vst...but, either way, it still isn't comfortable for me...I'm really all about goin to a metranome with the wet signal and not needed to screw around with the .wav files much later - so I can import them into my sequencer and have them loop smoothly and properly.

"fortymile" - Guitar Rig has some kick *** presets that you can even do cool things with for vocals...I enjoy it and think it is NI's best product, however, it has a funny interface..I would have layed it out differently.

"olddog" - Hey, thanks...for whatever reason I didnt notice "wave" as an option within my SB X-fi audio creation mode settings. I will give that a go and see how it fairs.

Thanks guys...let me know what you find out.

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Apr 07, 2007 01:33 pm

BTW - what is the best .wav setting to save newly recorded audio wav files?

In Cool Edit Pro I noticed there are about 19 different options to save a .wav file under, such as PCM...ACM...ADPCM...A/mu-Law...and etc etc..

All this time, I have been using ACM - "CD Quality" 44.100 kHz, 16 Bit Stereo...What I want to know is, what is the OPTIMAL settings to use in which will preserve the .wav form in all of it's original recorded sound quality?

File size is not an issue.

Thanks.

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Since: Apr 06, 2007


Apr 07, 2007 01:41 pm

OldDog - I tried the "Wave" Option and it only acted as "What you hear", only it wouldnt recognize my input for the guitar and just recorded the clicks of my metranome. :(

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Since: Jul 02, 2003


Apr 07, 2007 03:35 pm

You'll probably have to use "What You Hear" then so all inputs are active. The downside is as with Wave you will also be recording the metronome. You might be able to get one of the DX wrappers to work with GR and CEP so you could use GR inside CEP. Other than that your best bet is to buy an inexpensive multitrack app such as Cakewalks Music Creator 3 that supports VST/VSTi and do your guitar recording in that then import the wav's into CEP if you'd rather use CEP for most of your work.

For saving wav's the best format to use is CEP's default of 32 bit FP, and create other formats from that master file such as CD quality, mp3, etc when needed.


Dan

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Apr 07, 2007 06:52 pm

dog - in regards to CEP's default of 32 bit FP: I cant see that setting? What is it specifically called?

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Since: Jul 02, 2003


Apr 08, 2007 04:51 pm

In the save dialog chose PCM Wav, then click the Options button and make sure the option 32 bit Normalized Float is selected.

If you are recording in 16 bit then just chose PCM Wav as the type, the option button will be greyed out.

Dan

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