New song mix, suggestions please!!

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Czar of Turd Polish
Member Since: Jun 20, 2006

So here is the first mix I have for our band Dopiate. I got some more level work to do and a cpl punch ins but so far how are the tones and what not? Once again, I am getting it mastered by someone else who actually knows how to use a LinMB :) I tried using it and I made my guitars and vox to loud and my drums too quiet at times :) Oh well...

This was the song that drum clip came from.. oh and noize, I asked on the snare, it's actually a 12" and about 4-5" deep.

Anway, song is called "Silent Killer: Hearthrob Murdered"

www.cpttripps.com/wma/skhm.mp3

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bace135 in the house tonight!
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Since: Jan 28, 2003


Mar 28, 2007 01:26 pm

what a name for a song!!!

not my normal style. and i can't understand like hardly any of the lyrics, but, the mix is pretty solid. Maybe up the vocals a hair, but maybe not. sounds good.

Czar of Turd Polish
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Since: Jun 20, 2006


Mar 28, 2007 01:38 pm

Think of the name as the title of a newspaper article "Silent Killer.... Hearthrob Murdered!"

And this is a little different than most our other songs, normally his lyrics are substantially more intelligable. This one is heavier/faster and has alot more "freak out" to the vocals.

Thanks for the input!!

I KNOW NOTHING
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Since: Jun 08, 2006


Mar 28, 2007 08:12 pm

I like the "freak out" vocals, man! Great song, too. Guitars sound awesome. Bass disappears in the mix sometimes but is solid. The drumming is spectacular, but occasionally rushed. Ever tried the guy on a click track? (for the record, I hate them, myself, but....)

:)

Good stuff, Captain!

Czar of Turd Polish
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Since: Jun 20, 2006


Mar 28, 2007 09:27 pm

Thanks again, yes I've tried him with a clicky, he's horrible at it!! haha. We tried many different ways as I wanted my 8th channel for a room mic, but alas, it was jammed live.

I got some more mixing to do for sure as we just got the bass and vox laid down last night, I will be posting my progress when it gets done.

And oh, this is one of the songs that need lil punch in, I'm sure you heard the part :)

Czar of Turd Polish
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Since: Jun 20, 2006


Mar 29, 2007 03:25 pm

Wow, just listened after a day break.. This is crappy :) Everything is there waiting to come out, but there is some serious conflicts going on. Back to work...

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


Mar 29, 2007 09:31 pm

Hey Tripps, its not all that bad really. You got the snare sounding pretty crisp now if indeed you did change it. I do agree on the bass needing some work done though. It could be a bit punchier for this type of music. Here the vox didn't get buried but could use a little smoothing out and be brought up front just the tiniest bit. Otherwise very cool tune indeed, I do as well like the scatter shot vocal he did. It adds to the intensity of the song.

And ya, a 12 x 5 sounds about right. Its a very high toned snare. But it does fit the music here.

Can't wait to hear were you go with this one.

Czar of Turd Polish
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Since: Jun 20, 2006


Mar 30, 2007 12:33 pm

Ok, I re-mixed finally. I think things are sitting a tad better although I need a lil more bass volume which I'm working on next. I pumped it around 150 and again at 60, cut at 80 and rolled it off at 50. What do yall think?

Pros:
Snare has more crack.
Bass and Kick seem to be working together better.

Cons:
Vox too loud?
Bass too quiet.

www.cpttripps.com/wma/skhm.mp3 - Old
www.cpttripps.com/wma/skhm2.mp3 - New

Cone Poker
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Since: Apr 07, 2002


Mar 30, 2007 01:32 pm

Ok I just got done listening to both:

I like the "new" version better, it's sitting better in the mix. Only thing I could think of is maybe bring out the kick a little more, but the bass and guitars are working really well together. I don't think the vox are too loud at all on this. I am just losing track o the kick when the guitars come in, but it could just be me at the moment. I'll listen later and see. Nice work though, your vocalist reminds me a tad bit of cobain.

Czar of Turd Polish
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Since: Jun 20, 2006


Mar 30, 2007 01:38 pm

Very cool, I can do more kick, I'm sure the drummer will love that :)

Thanks again, this has been a tough project for me and everyones input is much appreciated.

I'm thinking it's time to try volume envelopes during the parts where it gets drowned out, perhaps with the snare too. When it gets rocking and he starts screaming both seem to get lost.

Cone Poker
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Since: Apr 07, 2002


Mar 30, 2007 01:45 pm

can take a trick from electronica and try a sidechain compressor if you have a compressor that'll do it.

Czar of Turd Polish
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Since: Jun 20, 2006


Mar 30, 2007 02:07 pm

I have no idea what that is....

Appenine
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Since: Dec 13, 2004


Mar 30, 2007 05:41 pm

I dunno, I kinda like the "high tide" characteristics that the louder parts have, where everything just kinda washes over the stereo field for a second and then reconstitutes itself. It keeps the listening experience a bit off-balance, which I'm a fan of.

I agree that the bass probably needs a little more presence in this mix...it's not so much that it gets lost, but it's just understated.

Also, that little guitar mini lead towards the end in the left channel is pretty awesome. I wouldn't mind hearing that boosted just a wee bit.

Good stuff.

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


Mar 31, 2007 09:08 pm

Hey Tripps, Thermocaster makes a very good point. I just A B'd them and I like the new version for sure. The vox are definitely in their own space now and hold their own without killing the mix. The kick is just fine listening here now. The bass I had to think about and re-listen a couple of times though. One part of me wants to hear more punch and the other part is liking the way it sits now in the mix. The intro it really has a good hold and drives along nicely sitting real perty with the kick. Then the hard part comes in and it melds ever so slightly in with the guitars. At first I didn't like it, but then as I listened a few more times it started to grow on me and I could hear its place in the mix just fine. So I think as thermo stated, just a pinch more presence to it and you'll be sitting good.

Oh ya, and the snare. Now that thing sounds stellar, it really smacks for a small snare. I love the way it sits in the mix now.

I am not a crook's head
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Since: Mar 14, 2003


Apr 01, 2007 02:08 am

This sounds great Captain! Excellent quality through and through.

While listening to mix 1 I was about to say that snare just didn't sound right but now that I hear mix 2, the snare sounds awesome. It could come up just a hair because it gets a little lost amongst the vocals and guitar in the busier sections. And the bass could still come up quite a bit. I'm on my bass-heavy speaker system and all I hear is kick. Let me rephrase that: all I feel is kick. Through the subwoofer that is.

Man this really does sound good. The drum overheads are just clear as a bell. What's your signal chain on those? I'm curious about what mics and preamps you used on the guitars as well.

Czar of Turd Polish
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Since: Jun 20, 2006


Apr 01, 2007 04:13 pm

OH chain?

It's the Rode NT5's running into a behringer T1953 tube pre-amp with the warmth jacked up pretty high straight into my layla setup. I use the recorderman technique, but I don't have the mic above the snare pointing straight down, I angeled it a little more towards the high/med tom as my hats were coming through way too loud.

Guitars are all done through my line6 HD147. It's what I use for everything unless doing acoustic work. I am probably going to sell it and just get a UX2 or something as I don't use it live anymore. I don't really need a $1000 head to record guitars direct :)

Thanks again for the input all, I haven't touched it since the last version was posted so my ears will be very fresh this time!

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Apr 01, 2007 11:56 pm

The mix sounds stellar to me CptTripps! I'm listening on headphones as I don't have very decent speakers but it sounds great, can't think of anything I'd change in it.

Dan

Pinnipedal Czar (: 3=
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Apr 04, 2007 03:19 am

I just gave a listen to the first and last versions... nice work, indeed . As you put it Cap'n, everything was waiting...

VERY cool song !

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