Overdubbing a movie

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Typo Szar
Member Since: Jul 04, 2002

I have to do some small overdubs to movie dialogue this week, something ive never done. its kind of a fun little project i got over at work to make teaching aids, their not suppose to be perfect, kind of like parodying bad chinese kung fu dubbing if u can imagine.
Anyhow, my company bought me a copy of Ulead video editing software, which is a simple little program that allows me to cut and replace audio on video clips. But ofcourse i go to HRC! u cant expect me to just do dubs on to one track?!?!?! No way, i got out my condenser mic and set up alittle voice area in my room and im ready to get some quality takes.

But since its a whole cast of people, i was wondering is there a way i can get multiple trax. The Ulead program allows two trax, but only one can record at a time but u can import wav clips into it. I noticed in Sonar they have a "movie view" but when i put movie files they pull the audio, and the movie view is jsut a big black screen with a timer. Do any of the DAW's have a way i can view video and record at the same time? coz ofcourse when tracking we have to see the actors to to match wording and such. Anyone have experience with film dubbing? I have sonar 5 producer, and cubase SX 3, do either of those have anything i can use?

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Pinnipedal Czar (: 3=
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Since: Apr 11, 2004


Mar 02, 2007 11:05 pm

We use Ulead as well, and Sonar 5 is saposed to do video, though I've never used it... hmmm...


I've heard Vegas does this type of thing well .

Ne'er ate 'er
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Since: Apr 05, 2006


Mar 02, 2007 11:18 pm

Hey Crux, that's ambitious! You're gonna laugh, but Windows Movie Maker does what you're asking for, except for the multiple track scenario, including overdubbing a second audio track as you watch, adding a new audio track, deleting the original track, or mixing the two. It's a simple learning curve. It comes included with Windows XP.

Pinnipedal Czar (: 3=
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Mar 02, 2007 11:22 pm

I think Ulead gives y'a three tracks to work with, doesn't it ?

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


Mar 03, 2007 07:06 am

I've used Sonar for sound tracks a couple times, it worked great for me, import the video file I can preview the video and hear the already existing sound track, then have unlimited tracks to create the remainder of it. Not sure why it's not working for you but I have personally done it.

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Mar 03, 2007 07:32 am

I've used SONAR 2.2 to do this but I needed accuracy. yeah, even Movie Maker will do this... iMovie is a bit of a pain along these lines... I do suggest a track per person but you could just apply compression, etc. to clips

Prince CZAR-ming
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Since: Apr 08, 2004


Mar 03, 2007 08:31 am

Reaper lets you play movies, so you could record the voice in each separate track, as it's playing. Then mix them down together into one track, and import into ulead, or moviemaker, or whatever.

I've used moviemaker as well. Pretty basic, but it gets the job done. I think the version in XP home has only 1 audio track, whereas XP PRO SP2 has 2 audio tracks you can use.


Typo Szar
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Since: Jul 04, 2002


Mar 03, 2007 08:49 am

yeah, i wanted to use a dedicated DAW coz i want to multitrack, apply efx (telephone conversations on film etc.), do envelopes tons of stuff.

I just wanna do something for teh fun of it u know guys? all the time im recoridng stuff for my band and wat not its so tedious and worky. im gonna keep tryin sonar, does teh video have to be a specific format?

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Mar 03, 2007 09:08 am

I just looked at Sonar 6 and it accepts avi, mpg, wmv, asf and mov...

Typo Szar
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Since: Jul 04, 2002


Mar 03, 2007 09:59 am

thanx for the advice DB, i jsut sent u an email about some weird errors i had comin in... seem to be gone now.. just givin u a heads up.
I tried sonar out again and it works AWESOME thanx guys!

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


Mar 04, 2007 02:56 pm

Yep, Sonar 5 even will import all the formats dB mentioned above. It should automatically bring up the video screen for you crux. Unless of course they sent you the time code track instead of the video track, then you will get a big black screen with time on it. Also keep in mind you may have opened the BIG TIME screen which is OK, but you simply need to open the video preview screen to see the video.

Typo Szar
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Since: Jul 04, 2002


Mar 05, 2007 10:06 am

Just wanted to give an update, incase anyone cared. I succesfully got it all hooked up and runing, in the end i used Cubase SX 3 and Ulead, coz i couldnt find how to encode vdo with cubase. But the interface for dubbing on cubase was much easier than sonar. After mixdown i just added the audio in Ulead. Was a fun endeavour indeed, i ended up recording water for ocean scenes, and "wind" from my fan for rooftops. Anyhow, thanx to everyone for putting in their recommendations!

Czar of Midi
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Mar 07, 2007 08:51 pm

Dubbing in Cubase is easier then in Sonar. Not a chance. But then again you know how I feel about Sonar. :-)

Glad it all worked out then in the end.

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Since: Apr 10, 2006


Mar 11, 2007 02:18 pm

That sounds pretty cool. I've always wanted to rescore movies too. Does anyone know a way to do that with Pro Tools?

Czar of Midi
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Mar 16, 2007 09:03 pm

You can't do it in PT. You need a separate video program to sync up with PT to do it.

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Mar 16, 2007 10:01 pm

like what? Does mac come standard with anything you could use for that? like imovie or something? Or is there a cheap/free download out there?

Typo Szar
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Since: Jul 04, 2002


Mar 16, 2007 10:19 pm

It's not "easier" per say Noize, its just that on sonar i found the small video box function before i found it in Sonar, which is a full screen so you cant see ur tracks running. It just gave me a better perception of time while recording, as well as when mixing. Im sure its better in Sonar, obviously Sonar is more powerful, but i actually started using cubase way before.. its hard to change DAW's..

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Mar 17, 2007 01:00 am

well with the non-m-powered PTLE theres a DV expansion pack for a mere $1.2K (****!) ...however the OSX version of Ardour I think handles video... and thats free... of course I have absolutly no idea how it will behave on OSX without JACK installed...

In general... when a broadcast professional says 'Protools' they mean 'Protools HD' ... which does all the video junk and probably communicates nicely with Final Cut Pro ... which other Mac software does not play nice with... (sudders from importing imovie DV's into FCP...and having to rerender the audio in all of them for no ******* good reason...)

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Mar 18, 2007 03:40 pm

so what's Ardour then? And what's a jack? If all i have is pro tools LE 7 can I download Ardour from somewhere and use it?

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Mar 18, 2007 04:24 pm

oops I did forget the link:

ardour.org/

it has a number of requirments... specifically Apple X11 and JACK

Apple X11 allows OSX to display X11 (Unix/Linux) applications

JACK is an audio server very much like Rewire...

I use this on linux so I'm not sure how it all goes tother on OSX.

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