help w/ setting up a behringer UB802 mixer
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Posted on Feb 27, 2007 12:52 pm
Bmonkey
Member Since: Feb 27, 2007
i need to hook my UB802 to my computer.[the sound card only has mic, input, and output 1/8" ports]
i want to set it up to record and then overdub other recordings without re-recording what is playing back on the mixer.
right now i have 1/8" to stereo RCA from my input to the mixer and a 1/8" to 1/4" from my output to the aux return on the mixer.
what am i doing wrong?
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pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Feb 27, 2007 01:00 pm Someone may have found a solution to those mixers , but I can't remember at the moment. Check back through the old posts here, it seems like something was brought up to solve this problem.
But from what I've found, those mixers dont seem to have the circuitry to do this cleanly, like on other, bigger mixers.
Either you re-record previous tracks, or you can't hear the incoming signal.
One way to solve this would be to plug your monitoring solution directly into the outputs of the sound card.
Feb 27, 2007 01:01 pm If you run your input back into the mixer you are always going to mix the signal. Only send the output of the mixer to the input of the card...send the output of the card to your speakers. Until you have a mixer with subgroups, you'll be stuck doing it that way.
Feb 27, 2007 01:08 pm ohh ok i get it.. what mixer do you think i should get that has the subgroups but doesnt blow a hole in my wallet?
TallChapAnswer:On a good day, lipstick.Member
Since: Jun 24, 2004
Feb 27, 2007 02:58 pm Try running the outs from your soundcard to the "Tape in" RCA's (just when you thought you had enough patch cords). Then press the "Tape to Control Room" button, and leave the "Tape to Mix" button un-pressed (up). That way you'll get the sound coming from your card into the headphones/monitors, but not in the main mix - i.e. all your inputs. I'm not 100% sure that will work, but it's worth a try.
Tim NUh, at least one more time . . .Member
Since: Feb 07, 2007
Feb 27, 2007 09:40 pm Hello,
The references to this problem may
have been referring to me, so I'll
enlighten you . . . .
You can use your 802; I have a similar
set up. You don't mention what software
you are recording to; I'll assume you have
some kind of software, so:
1. Send the main out signal (out) from the 802
to the input of the soundcard.
2. Send the output of the soundcard
to the tape-in (it might be called "tape
or CD in").
3. Plug in a mic or instrument to the
input of the mixer. Use a balanced mic
cable. A guitar can go in too, even direct,
but you must use one of the channels with
adjustable gain (I can't remember if the 802
has one, two, or more "gained" channels;
I knoe it has at least one).
4. Dis-engage the tape to mix button (i.e.,
up); dis-engage the tape-to-phones button (up).
5. Play the guitar, or talk into the mic.
The level LEDs should light up, and you should
be able to hear something in the phones (turn up
the phones/control room level. Set the levels
so that the -20 db lights stay lit, with
occasional forays into the 0 db range.
6. Engage the tape-to-phones button. If your
software is getting anything, and if it is sending anything back, you will hear it, and see
the signal in the meters (in other words, you are
now monitoring the software's signal.) The
sytem is closed up, going from the mic, through
the outputs, to the computer, and then out
again into the Behringer. The 802 will keep
the signals separate. You can now record track after track, listening to the stuff you just
recorded while recording new stuff.
Let me (us) know what kind of software you have,
and I'll get you to the next step . . . .
If the computer doesn't seem to be getting
any signal, check the ins and outs, and if
they're right, switch off the computer and then
switch it on again--always straightens things out for me.
TallChapAnswer:On a good day, lipstick.Member
Since: Jun 24, 2004
Feb 28, 2007 11:06 am er......what Tim N said....or did I say that too?
Feb 28, 2007 12:01 pm ok ill try that out!!! im actually using the new Sony Acid Pro 6.0 software. i need to go buy some rca plugs but ill definately try it out.
one other question:
what would be the next best step to take if i want to get a more professional sound with the mixes i make?
this is what i go so far:
Behringer UB802 mixer
MXL990 Condenser Microphone
Nady QH360 Studio Headphones
and a bunch of amps, guitars, drums [digital and acoustic], keyboards, bass', and vocals..
i know i need more mics for my drums, but im still not getting the quality i desire
TallChapAnswer:On a good day, lipstick.Member
Since: Jun 24, 2004
Feb 28, 2007 02:39 pm There are a lot of free VST plu-ins out there on the interweb. Some may help with your mixes, but the old adage - junk in, junk out - applies. You can't polish a turd.
Get the tracking tones as close as possible to where you want to be.
The many articles posted here over the years should be a good start.
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Feb 28, 2007 03:01 pm understanding your room quality will go very far in making good tracks. tweaking your room, and treating it for bad sound, muddyness, flutter, etc.
Practice with your gear, and comparing it to polished recordings will help you advance.
keep trying new ways of pulling quality out of your tracks. don't just try one thing, not like it, then give up and say it can't be done.
And like Tallchap says: Get the source as good as possible, will leave you less to do in mixing.
Tim NUh, at least one more time . . .Member
Since: Feb 07, 2007
Feb 28, 2007 07:09 pm Um . . . I second all the stuff just
said. One more thing, though. Even
though the sound card you have will work,
the best thing you can do (cheaply) is
to upgrade the soundcard. I say this because
if you are using one with the 1/8 inch
ports, that probably means that it isn't
ideal for DAW work. It will work, pretty well
even (I used a Creative Sound Blaster card
at first, and it sounds pretty good), but
for $100.00 or so you can get something like
the E-Mu 0404, which is designed for what you
are doing.
Feb 28, 2007 10:01 pm i def. looking into the soundcard right now! i found that E-mU for 80. right now my business partner just bout a very [VERY] large mixer so i would guess our best bet is gonna be to get a soundcard or usb to bring down the latency right??
Tim NUh, at least one more time . . .Member
Since: Feb 07, 2007
Mar 01, 2007 08:58 pm Well, it depends on how you like to record,
and what you play. I'm recording one track
(stereo or mono) at a time with the E-mu 0404,
or the band (4 of us) with 16 or so channels
(tracks) mixed down to stereo and sent
to the 0404. (From a Behringer 2442A) This includes 5 mics on drums,and two acoustic
guitars miked up, among otherthings. We simply experimented until the mix sounded good.
These live mixes are for practice
and demos.
Is it better to have, say, a mixer and
the relevant software that can send eight
channels (or more) in and eight (or more)
out? Yeah, but I can't afford that.
Fortunately, I don't need it right now. Some-
one mentioned above to work on the songs, and
tighten everything up. Great advice! Still,
if you're a tech jockey, and you find yourself
constantly fiddling with the wires and the knobs,
by all means do it--get the best you can afford,
and figure out how to work it, in addition to the
band practice.
Tim NUh, at least one more time . . .Member
Since: Feb 07, 2007
Mar 01, 2007 09:12 pm Oh, the latency thing? Sorry, I did get
carried away there (as Tallchap noticed).
That might not be an issue for you; if you
use a lot of plug-ins live (that is, if you're
really working the CPU, and the DAW), monitoring
could pose problems. I don't have any problems,
with my latency set at 3 ms (ASIO drivers). Of
course, I'm just listening to the straight mix,
using outboard stuff for guitar (Boss br-532 in),
and nothing else--vocals, acoustic guitars, and
and keyboards don't get any processing 'til
they're in.
TallChapAnswer:On a good day, lipstick.Member
Since: Jun 24, 2004
Mar 02, 2007 11:03 am Tim N, your set up is very similar to mine (different mixer...). I've been using the S/PDIF optical out on the BR532 as my main point of entry into my EMU PCI0404. It's such a pristine sound.
If you get a chance, try it out. I send the tape outs to the BR532, and then send the optical into the sound card. That way, I have all the COSM effects on the BR532 at my disposal for Line/Mic/Gtr. If you use the drum patterns on the BR532, it's a great way to get them into the DAW (I don't use them any more since I got Groove Agent).
Tim NUh, at least one more time . . .Member
Since: Feb 07, 2007
Mar 02, 2007 07:16 pm Tallchap,
I tried to send signal from
the BR-532 out through the optical, and
while it does work, I get this weird sort
of "phasing" distortion. The BR-532 sends
out 44.1 16 bit; the 0404 can be configured
to 44.1, but I started using 48 khz in my
DAW (Magix) some time ago. Even using the
the 44.1 setting in an older song in the DAW
didn't seem to help. I'd love to use the
optical out; that way I'd have 4 channels in,
instead of only two. Any suggestions?
