Help!! Delta 66 on Windows XP Pro 64-...

pjk
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Dec 29, 2006 11:41 am

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I have not had any luck with any setup

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I am able to get the guitar to play back on my monitors also

i'm not sure what you're looking to do. If there's signal in your delta mixer, then that part should be fine.

your monitors are hooked up to out 1 and 2? i'm assuming yes.

Is it sonar that's a problem? hearing incoming signal that's a problem?

I guess more detailed explaination would help.

Knightmare69
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Since: Dec 29, 2006

Dec 29, 2006 04:08 pm

Thanks for the reply pjk!

hmm, I can't seem to get any levels to show up in an audio track in Sonar. I have the audio tracks's input set up to use "M-Audio Delta 66 1/2".

But in my Mixer in the Delta control panel, Levels are registering on those imputs (hardware in and on the master volume)

I can actually hear the guitar through the monitors. just no response by Sonar.

Also, I should mention, the drivers I am using are beta drivers for windows 64-Bit.
-Mitch

Hue
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Dec 29, 2006 04:41 pm

Have you armed the track ?

pjk
Prince CZAR-ming
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Dec 29, 2006 05:11 pm

Seems you're most of the way there then, if the delta controlpanel sees signal. Just need sonar to listen.

You might try different audio drivers, like try WDM instead of ASIO, or try ASIO instead of WDM. Heck, even try MME, just to see if it works.

I tried winxp64 awhile ago, their 90day test thing, and it didn't want to see my interface, so i ditched it. Being beta, maybe sonar is having a futzy time seeing the delta. I'm not a sonar guy, so I'm just guessing.

Knightmare69
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Dec 29, 2006 05:43 pm

Thanks for your help!

Hmm I tried arming the track and changing all of the drivers. Delta 66 wasnt even an option when I switched over to ASIO.

Looks as though I`ve just wasted some $$ on this delta 66.

Has anyone heard of a device that actually works well on XP64.

Even My Motu828 MK1 (firewire) wont work on this machine, even though they have some 64-bit drivers (Beta, albeit) And the Motu Tech support have been leading me in circles.
I hope M-audio does not do the same.
I wonder what would happen if I switched to Vista :P

-Mitch

Knightmare69
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Dec 29, 2006 05:44 pm

P.S. I also couldnt get any Playback from Windows Media Player out to my monitors.

pjk
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Dec 29, 2006 06:04 pm

I'm sticking with XP pro, as it's doing everything I need. It might be cheaper (and probably less aggravating) to switch back to XP32.

I've been eyeing up some linux offerings too, but hate to re-do my built system to try it out =/

Knightmare69
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Dec 29, 2006 09:51 pm

Hmm I wonder if I could have 2 OS on this computer..BUT 32 bit windows only supports 4 gigs or RAM max (I have 8). I wonder if 32-bit windows would even load up and I have no clue how it would handle 4 processors.
I have this computer setup with X64 because I work in the 3d graphics industry.. so I cant go back completely to 32-bit.
It seems that software companies in this (graphics) industry have more time and money to invest in new technology/software ect..
-Mitch

pjk
Prince CZAR-ming
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Dec 29, 2006 10:02 pm

Good question, i'd have to look into that one.

Knightmare69
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Dec 29, 2006 10:46 pm

Let me know if you find anything out, that would be awesome!
:D
-Mitch

Noize2u
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Dec 30, 2006 12:31 am

In your Delta control panel you have to make sure the buttons in the Patchbay/Router tab are checked under H/W Out 1/2 to use WavOut 1/2 and so on. Do not use the H/W In 1/2 or Monitor Mixer. Those will allow you to hear but not record the inputs.

And Sonar 6 should allow you to use the ASIO drivers if they are indeed ported for 64 bit use. Otherwise if you can see the drives in the Sonar Options/Audio panel then you should be able to use them if they are not grayed out.

Knightmare69
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Dec 30, 2006 01:07 am

Thanks Noze2u.

I have had them set to use WaveOut 1/2 ..
I just took the card from this computer and installed it in an older one (windows xp 32-bit). Worked immediatly.
I then put the pci card back into my pc and uninstalled/re-installed the driviers without any success.
the ASIO drivers should be recognized(they are not grey`d out, but when I go to select any inputs... none show up), I will try as many possible setups as I can. I`ll let you know if that works.
Thanks!
-Mitch

Noize2u
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Dec 30, 2006 01:21 am

Well then I am wondering if maybe the M-Audio driver's may not be correctly ported for 64 bit then. Did they actually state the release was for 64 bit systems?

I would try and get with M-Audio tech support and see what they can offer as a solution.

pjk
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Dec 30, 2006 01:32 am

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Also, I should mention, the drivers I am using are beta drivers for windows 64-Bit.

ya, that may be it right there.

Knightmare69
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Dec 30, 2006 01:52 am

Thanks you have both been very helpful!

I`m waiting for a reply from M-Audio... Hopefully that will clear up some issues for me, and anyone considering switching to 64-bit.

I have come to the conclusion that the drivers (being beta) have not yet been fully ported.. I just hope that M-Audio has a new update soon.. Or someone lets me know that Vista 64-bit supports delta 66.
No refund or exchanges are even allowed on computer periferals either!
Thanks,
-Mitch

Noize2u
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Dec 30, 2006 04:24 pm

Knightmare, I have run the XP64 bit version when testing an Earlier 64 bit version of Sonar and used both my Delta 44 and a higher end ESI interface running so called beta type drivers and they both worked very well. Not sure if it may have been a fluke but they did run. I state that so you know there is hardware that will run in 64 bit. I am just wondering exactly what may have gone wrong. Since the drivers actually show up in both windows and Sonar, they should be installed proper. But I will be curious to find out what M-Audio has to say about it.

Knightmare69
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Dec 30, 2006 08:56 pm

Hmm.. I just updated my Windows Media player (to Media Player 11), re-installed the card into the machine, and also the drivers.. Now when I go to my windows media player and go to the options > devices, under the Speaker properties, It now says under "Audio Devices to use":
DirectSound: M-Audio Delta 66 1/2 (Emulated)
not sure what it means by "Emulated"

Do you know if its possible to have 32-Bit Windows XP and 64-Bit XP on the same machine? So I can figure out if it will work on there.

Also, My Computer only has 1 available PCI slot (which the Delta 66 occupies) So I cant switch it around.

I`m trying to rule out if it my Computer or if it is my O/S. I have ruled out that my Delta card is running fine.

ahhh...
-Mitch

Noize2u
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Dec 30, 2006 11:11 pm

OK, for the start here go to the windows control panel then click open the Sounds and Audio Devices. This should open the properties page for windows audio devices. Now go to the audio tab and you'll have the sound playback and sound recording tabs. You should have something like M-Audio Delta 66 1/2 and so on. There should also be a choice for something like M-Audio Delta 66 Multi. Usually the one that says Multi is the Direct sound emulated driver. What means is its a multi format compatable driver which emulates WDM. It is a step above the MME drivers which are the basic windows type sound driver. I don't think that is even available in the 64 bit port of the drivers though.

If you can go to the Sonar options/audio menu and see what is all in the list now. Try to copy them and paste em here. I'll do a little more research as well and see if I can come up with what might be going on so we can see if we can get you straightened out.

Knightmare69
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Dec 31, 2006 12:10 am

Ok I have all my sounds and audio devices set to "M-Audio Delta 66 Multi" I had them at "M-Audio Delta 66 1/2" previously.

I have been re-booting, and then trying to play a wav and mp3 file in Windows media player. All the time I have been watching the levels on my Delta control panel.

Then I tried in Sonar, Making sure the settings were set for "M-Audio Delta 66 Multi".

In Sonar Audio Options, I have "64-bit Double Precision Engine" checkbox checked. Also, "Use Multiprocessing Engine" checkbox checked.
Driver mode set to "WDM/KS"

I`ll do some more experimenting!

Thanks,
-Mitch

Noize2u
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Dec 31, 2006 12:30 am

Well it sounds like you have everything set up correctly and should be good to go. And you should be able to use either the Multi or the 1/2 and 3/4 and 5/6 options as well.

Knightmare69
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Since: Dec 29, 2006

Dec 31, 2006 12:58 am

Nothing registering on any outputs as of yet. In either Sonar or Windows media player. I`ll have to forward this thread to M-Audio. when they reply.. (its been a 4 days, maybe I should re-send)

Noize2u
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Dec 31, 2006 01:45 am

I would resend indeed and press the matter. Threaten them if you must. Sometimes that seems to work. It is a shame that M-Audio has become one of the worst for customer service these days. I used to swear by their gear and their driver updates and support. Now I am not sure I would even think of buying another of their products.

Knightmare69
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Dec 31, 2006 02:10 am

Thanks Noize2u!

I was hoping we would resolve these issues regarding the BIG 32 to 64-bit crossover that is going on nowadayz

I still swear by 64-bit! when I am working (3D graphics and rendering) what would take 30 seconds on 32 bit takes 3 seconds on 64-bit.

But in my work, since I am dealing with software as opposed to sound hardware, I was naive to think the transition would go as smoothly.

but maybe its a subtle incompatability issue with my comp... go figure

I will keep you posted, hopefully I will get some answers soon.

Thanks!
-Mitch

Noize2u
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Dec 31, 2006 02:40 pm

Mitch, indeed for you the 64 bit is the major need. And the sound gear does come second. Though I will not be long before switching to the 64 bit platform, but now rush as for me in Sonar 6 the 64 bit double precision audio engine does take full advantage of my AMD CPU's power. So I am not going to make huge gains switching, but a gain is still a gain.

I'm confidant that M-Audio will come through and indeed it is probably something very simple that we are overlooking. Or M-Audio is overlooking.

See you in the new year.

Noize

Knightmare69
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Jan 13, 2007 01:43 am

This is from M-Audio:

Everything seems to be setup correctly except the last part where you mentioned “I have my driver mode set up
to WDM/KS...” I suggest using the M-Audio ASIO driver instead.

The X64 Drivers are Beta drivers and we currently do not offer any support under this operating system. The official drivers for XP64 should be release shortly.

Regards,
Michel Dumont

Tech Support
M-AUDIO Canada
1-866-872-0444 Ext.221

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still sounds like *** to me.
when I switch`d to ASIO.. no devices/inputs ect. show up.

Noize2u
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Jan 13, 2007 06:53 pm

OK, in order to see the ASIO driver's you will need to switch Sonar 6 into the ASIO mode. To do this simply go to the Options drop down menu and choose the Audio selection. You will get a menu with 3 tabs, General, Advanced and Drivers. Go to the Advanced tab and you will see a Driver Mode box. Click the arrow and choose ASIO. Sonar may ask you to shut it down and restart the program. Do so and then go back to the same menu and choose the Drivers tab and you will be able to choose you input and output drivers which will now be ASIO drivers. Then go back to the General tab and check your latency slider. Move it to the left some and try it out.

Help!! Delta 66 on Windows XP Pro 64-bit .w/ 2 dual core Xenon/8gb RAM