Dec 27, 2002 09:45 pm It's sounds pretty simple. It makes since that your audio tracks would be there since they were done on the pc. Now, the question is where are you outputting the sound from your midi gear?
MIDI and Pro Audio 9
Posted on Dec 27, 2002 09:00 pm
Dan
Member Since: Nov 21, 2002
Ok. Here i am to bother you folks with another question. So i am using cakewalk pro audio 9, and i have a song that has both midi and audio tracks. so everything is good, i got all the tracks cut, and it sounds pretty good to me. I mix it down to an Mp3 file, here i am and the anticipation is building. now as i play the mp3 file i notice something. The midi tracks are not there. I obviously did something wrong. Thank you guys so much! i wish i could help you guys out and be less of a bother but hey, i am very new to recording.
Thanks,- Dan
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Dec 27, 2002 09:45 pm It's sounds pretty simple. It makes since that your audio tracks would be there since they were done on the pc. Now, the question is where are you outputting the sound from your midi gear?
Dec 27, 2002 10:29 pm I went to options, midi devices, and tried all of the following outputs:
SB audioPCI midi out
SB audioPCI midi synth
MIDI mapper
I am not very computer literate, i am not very recording literate.
i dont understand whats wrong.
Dec 27, 2002 11:11 pm Hey, Dan
First of all, we need to know how you're listening to your MIDI tracks. Are you using an external sound module or a keyboard? If so, it's real easy to solve this problem. You have to convert your MIDI tracks to audio tracks before you can mix and burn them. If you're using an external sound module, you just need to run your audio outputs from the module into your soundcard input and record them as audio. If you're getting the MIDI sounds through your soundcard, the same principal applies: Route your soundcard output into your soundcard input and record as an audio track. You might have to do each MIDI track one at a time, and mute everything else so each track stays seperate, but that's the ticket. You can't buen MIDI tracks to a CD, and they won't be part of any audio you try to export, cuz MIDI ain't sound, it's just information. Try that and let us know what happens.
Ed
Dec 27, 2002 11:17 pm You need to record the output of your midi device, be it an outboard synth or your SB midi synth into an audio track. just make sure you mute the audio track's you have before you do this. Then you can go and export the track's as all audio, and make sure you do not select the midi track's to be exported.
Dec 27, 2002 11:19 pm Guitar ed, you are a lifesaver! i am using sound card, and it all makes sense now. you dont know how much i appreciate this, man.
I am going down to the basement to do that now, maybe i will post them up here for your listening pleasure (pleasure, from my music? never).
Dec 27, 2002 11:27 pm I think Noize and I were typing at the same time! People can't wait to help around here !! I'm glad I stumbled onto this forum.
Dec 27, 2002 11:41 pm Well...so i go downstairs, i run my output wire to my input, mute all audio tracks, and here we go...it records and to my suprise...the audio file has absolutely no data on it. Now this is something physical, i am gonna try another wire, though that wire hasnt given me trouble before
Everything will be alright...breathe in breathe out *cough*
Thanks for the help
Dec 27, 2002 11:52 pm Dan, make sure it's an Audio track you're recording to. Just treat it as you would a guitar or vocal track. Add an audio track, select the input, arm the track, mute everything except the MIDI track you want to record, press PLAY, and look for activity on the meters. If you see something happening there, go ahead and set the level and record. What soundcard are you using? If you have a trusty SoundBlaster, you can go into your Windows mixer, select the 'What You Hear' option, and record your MIDI tracks that way, still muting all but the MIDI track you want to record. I'm not real familiar with many other soundcards, but I would assume that some of them would have a similar feature. Good luck, and keep us posted.
Ed
Dec 28, 2002 12:04 am thanks, i did all that and the problem was in fact the cable. But i am afraid the other cable is hardly better, it puts out a horrendous amount of noise, and the output of actual sound is low. My soundcard is the stock gateway computer sound card (eeep! i know, but hey it does the job, maybe poorly but i am broke). its getting kinda late and i had a long day. tomorrow i will put it through noise reduction and amplify the sound tomorrow, and when i get a chance get some new cable. Perhaps that cable wasnt sheilded. then post it so you folks can lend an ear. This is my first time recording with cakewalk, so i just need to learn. Thank you guys, you've always been there to help me out.
Dec 28, 2002 11:23 pm hrmmm there has to be an easier way to do that. i could download an midi to wave converter, but then i would have waste a CD-R , i am obviously gonna do that, but you would think cakewalk would make it a li'l easier .
I had to get that rant off of my chest.
Dec 29, 2002 12:22 am You're kinda losing me now. I don't get the part about wasting a CD. If you record yourself playing a guitar, you have to run a cable from your amp or mic, and into your computer's soundcard input. If you record yourself singing, you have to run a cable from your mic to the computer's soundcard input. So, if you want to record a MIDI bass part, you have to run a cable from the output of the sound source into the computer's soundcard input. In your case, the sound source IS the computer's soundcard, so you have to run a cable from the souncard's output back into the soundcard's input. That's the ONLY way I know of to convert MIDI to audio without an external sound source of some kind. And if you don't have some kind of option to record directly from the soundcard, (like Soundblaster's 'What U Hear' option) it's not just Cakewalk, you have to do it that way in just about any program. I apologize if I sound like I'm talking down to you, but I'm not real familiar with your level of experience. But the bottom line is MIDI is not sound. It's a big, long string of digits that instructs a MIDI device about what to do. In your case, a cable from the output to the input is your only option for getting MIDI in there as audio data. And, you're right! It's a pain in the butt!! Keep us posted on the continuing saga!
Ed
Dec 29, 2002 12:01 pm ok, i have found a program that DOES allow you to convert MIDI to audio, but i need to download it onto THIS computer, burn it onto a CD, and then load it onto the recording computer. Sorry for being so confusing
www.midi2wav.com
it'll cost ya $15.00 though. maybe i will just opt to get a good cable though.
Any suggestions on a good cable for running out of a soundcard and back in?
Dec 29, 2002 11:30 pm well, we're kinda gettin off into a different subject now, but I'm in the same boat as far as loading stuff from one puter to another, and I gotta tell ya, it's wise to invest in a couple of CD-RW's. I use 'em strictly for that purpose, and you can erase them and start over after you get everything you want off of them. Also, depending on the burning software you use, you have the option of not finalizing the CD, which means you can keep adding to them. Just something to think about.
Ed
Dec 30, 2002 12:14 am yep you are right. thanks for everything. i am new to this and dont know much, but yes, cd-rws are very useful, and now that i have some cash, i need to get some basic neccesities. I am glad there are people out there willing to lend a hand to those who are oblivious to recording such as I. But hey we all start somewhere, i guess.
Thank you all!
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