Nov 30, 2006 02:57 pm which line6 box? They have lots, I have used the POD, TonePort and GuitarPort and I think they are all great, have their shortcoming, like everything, even miking has shortcomings, but it's a completely viable option.
direct vs miking
Posted on Nov 30, 2006 02:50 pm
Sardula
Member Since: Nov 30, 2006
I have seen people posting a lot about this Line6 box. Do they sound good plugging in guitars direct? Would i be better off putting a mike on my Fender Frontman 25R? Would a SM57 do the trick? I really dont want to jump into anything too quick. I want to record electric & acoustic guitars and vocals. can anyone recomend something?
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Nov 30, 2006 02:57 pm which line6 box? They have lots, I have used the POD, TonePort and GuitarPort and I think they are all great, have their shortcoming, like everything, even miking has shortcomings, but it's a completely viable option.
Nov 30, 2006 03:05 pm I'd do both, run DI and with a amp mic'd with a 57. Blend to taste
Nov 30, 2006 03:06 pm Miking your amp will certainly do, but you'll be limited in what you can do with the sound.
People usually will mic their amp/cab when they have a specific sound they're getting from their amp, like an old marshall, or a booger, or a tube amp. Their sound is created from the amp, and is very detailed.
If you're trying to get into the hobby, and don't want to spend $$$ on multiple nice amps, then modellers are certainly a good option.
You can dial in different sounds, play at neighbor-friendly volumes, etc.
I'd say the sound characteristics of each comes done to personal taste, one which only you can say 'yay' or 'nay' too. Time to expirement.
FWIW, i have a boss gt6 guitar modeller, and i likes it pretty much. Haven't recorded much with it, mostly live.
Nov 30, 2006 03:07 pm I agree with BH above, I've played with that a few times, and got nice results.
Nov 30, 2006 03:25 pm For electric guitar, depending on what the rest of your rig is, the TonePort could probably sound just as good as your Frontman.
But for acoustic guitar, running it direct just never sounds as good as micing it up. Its just inherent in the design of the under-the-saddle piezo pickup that it sounds thin and conspicuously "direct".
You'll need a microphone to record vocals anyways, so you could find one that works for both vocals and acoustic guitar.
Remember that if you choose a condensor microphone, you'll need to make sure that whatever Line6 interface you choose has phantom power.
Nov 30, 2006 04:24 pm I used to have a frontman and I recorded with my , J-station (at the time) now PODxT hands down over the little fender. The frontman was not my cup of tea,but that's me. I have a VOX valvtronix amp that i'll mic up and i use my line 6 gear same as ever . I'd also have to say the Line 6 POD line sound better IMO direct(that's there main use). You can get some good results from a good ol amp and a SM57, no questions there but it leave you limited to the tone and sound that's comming out of that amp(not a bad thing).
Dec 01, 2006 03:16 pm I've done both regularly and got similar results.
TO be honest, people say the 57 is "industry standard" stuck in front of an amp...true, but I have had results that have fooled the very best into thinking it was a MIC'd Marshall/whatever ;-)....that, from a £99 VAMP!
So, it's dooable. Its actually very much easier in terms of practicality to use the modellers...that said, one can get some top results using the mic/amp combination.
Truth is, you can do both as others have said above...it all depends on your final aims. But, if ye can, experiment and see which method pleases your ears most...me, I do more modelling/DI than mic'd amp but thats just logistics with kids in the hoose!!
Awra best
Coco.
Dec 01, 2006 05:12 pm I run strictly Line 6 here these days. Though I have had and enjoyed recording with many differant amps both generic and boutique type. All work for me, though now it is much easier to dial in the sound I want in a hearbeat. But then I have spent many 100's of hours designing my patches to work with my guitars.
Dec 01, 2006 05:49 pm 2 cents...
I've been mostly going direct (due to keeping it quiet for the neighbours) and have been quietly impressed. However, I just had a bout of flu over the Thanksgiving weekend, so I got to stay home alone and play with my little Epiphone Valve Junior. Putting a cheap Digitech stomp modeller in front of it I managed to get amazing tones at very quiet levels. All tubey and warm, plus the effects. I think a mixture of both would be wonderful.
As Coco said, the modellers are so close these days. Don't limit yourself, but keep an open mind on both.
Also, it really depends on what kind of stuff you're doing. I rarely do any death metal or the like, so I really don't need stacks of power. The intimate sounds work for my music. A Frontman may not cut it if you're trying for the Steve Vai thing..
Dec 01, 2006 05:52 pm even with the heaviest music it's able to grind it out, if not direct, just get a smaller amp, get the tubes of some little 30 watt amp heated up and grinding, it's more acceptable to neighbors than a 100 watt double stack getting heated up :-)
For the mix of both, the quietness of direct recording and the real speaker feel, give Axetrak a try, it's actually a very cool tool.
Dec 01, 2006 06:07 pm Lately I have been messing with running the POD through a tube pre. So far this seems to be working out quite well. My POD tracks seem to have warmed up and fit better in the mix now. This has been my only complaint about the POD is that it seems to cut through in the mix a little too much. I have also had really good results using GuitarRig. The nice thing about a plugin is that you have a clean track to work with. If you're not happy, just change the patch. When we are tracking drums we always use the POD/DI with headphones. The problem for me (and a lot of others) is that to get a really great tube sound out of an amp you gotta crank it. This isn't always possible (actually it is hardly ever possible). I have basically 1 night a week and that tends to be rehearsal night.
Dec 02, 2006 09:06 pm Thats one thing I will do as well. Although my patches with my guitar sound great as is coming from the Line 6 PODxt or the Line 6 Toneport UX-2. I will sometimes warm them up with either the PSP Vintage Warmer or now the new C64 which is included with Sonar 6 PE. I never thought the day would come I would use anything but the Vintage Warmer but that C64 is absolutely killer.
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