Nov 29, 2006 07:23 pm What's the big deal? Id on' know about the laws there but in texas if someone trespasses on your property you have the right to shoot them. Kid got what he deserved in my not so humble opinion.
Break in shooting
Posted on Nov 29, 2006 07:08 pm
dbmasters
Administrator Since: Apr 03, 2002
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A kid (17 yo) broke in to the home of a 73 year old man, the old man shot him dead. Now neighbors are on the news saying "oh, he was a kid kid, he wouldn't steal or hurt anyone" and all that stuff. The old man has not been arrested and likely won't face charges.
Waiting for the fallout from this. I personally think the old man had every single right to shoot that kid for breaking in, an old man, a young criminal (after all he did break in regardless of intent) but I suspect the gun control activists will have a field day with this.
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Nov 29, 2006 07:23 pm What's the big deal? Id on' know about the laws there but in texas if someone trespasses on your property you have the right to shoot them. Kid got what he deserved in my not so humble opinion.
Nov 29, 2006 07:26 pm Well, my state isn't like Texas...even though I wish it was, at least in the ways Texas handles gun rights and capital punishment.
I live in a disgustingly liberal state...it's changing, or was, slowly, but I think the Bush administration ****** up that progress for us...back to blue for us.
Nov 29, 2006 07:50 pm Sad... but justified.
Seems like a big misunderstanding though if what they say is true. Although obviously not the best student, he probably meant no harm.
I know if I had the upper hand and was not fearing for my life I would probably detain and call the police.
I don't blame the old man at all, it's just sad. I was a little rebel at that age and have been in that situation. I entered a trailer that had the roof caved in from snow (Alaska) when out goofin off one night, it was cold out and we wanted a little place to party and this one seemed perfect. I was 15 and made a mistake, the owners were out of town and did not know about it yet so we thought it was abandoned. I probably would have been shot if they were in town after finding out who the owners were.
Another wasted life :(
Nov 29, 2006 09:35 pm Quote:
I know if I had the upper hand and was not fearing for my life I would probably detain and call the police.
Yeah, but then you aren't 73 years old and living alone...of course, you are close to 73 ;-)
Nov 29, 2006 10:06 pm here you can't shoot them unless they're in your house... a local teen just got out of the hospital after three month when she was shot harassing some guy by prank pounding on doors... Now she's a community hero and he's awaiting trial...
Nov 29, 2006 11:12 pm Yep, regardless of the kids standing in the community. The old guy had the right to pop him. Sorry to be blunt, but I'll tell ya what. Don't come into my house and expect not to get a little something pointed in your direction. The kid is from the neighborhood or close by and knows damn well the house was not abandoned like they are trying to portray. He knew the old man lived there, period and got what was coming to him. Sad as it is, that is life.
Nov 30, 2006 04:31 am Over here (UK)there was a case where an old man had been burgled twice by the same person so he hid in the shed and peppered the intruders *** with a shotgun, then the old man was sent to jail. Everybody was going crazy about it so they had to let him out.
Nov 30, 2006 08:10 am Just listening to the radio and yeah, the media is really trying to play up how much of a victim this kid was, and how he must have thought the place was abandoned, they have the grieving step mom and TV crying and all that.
1- abandoned or not, breaking in is breaking in
2- they said he was suspended from school and in alternative school but don't say why
Later it's found out he brought a box cutter to school, and the zero tolerance policy says they have to suspend him.
Just as I thought, they are trying to make this look like the old man was wrong or something...
Nov 30, 2006 08:47 am I haven't been watching the news lately, so I missed this. I must admit that I feel the man was completely justified in shooting the kid. It's a crazy world, and a 73 year-old man is no match for today's drug-crazed thugs. When it's your house, I believe you have the right to shoot first and ask questions later.
And I'm one of those gun control liberals that dB was talking about!
Maybe this will make the rest of those little hoodlum bastards think twice before trying to **** with an innocent old man. (F-word censored)
Nov 30, 2006 08:48 am Perhaps there is hope for you, Jim ;-)
Nov 30, 2006 09:15 am Halleluja !(sp) Natural Selection in progress . If you have no respect for yourself or others, something will take you out of the gene pool . This one seems to have been nipped in the bud... what if that 'ol man wasn't home, and the punk had stolen his gun to upgrade his 'lil box-cutter... perhaps then anti-gun peeps would have a field day after a few law-officers were obliged to pump 30-40 rounds into him .
No faith .
I've done my share of stupid pet tricks, and have cheated the process a number of times at one level or another, but it's stories like this that really warm my heart . It's kind'a cool that we get this lesson from a guy of 73 years, though a shame he had to teach it .
Nov 30, 2006 10:41 am We have had several home invasions in our city over the last few years. An unfortunate increasing trend or so it appears. Most of the time it involves more than one (more like 2 or 3) breaking into a home beating and terrorising seniors. Very sad. I say that everyone has a right to defend their home and family. He (the 73 y/o) had every right to shoot him..... before he was attacked by some punk.
If anyone was to break into our home, the first shot of my 303 will be in the ceiling. If the noise of a 303 being shot in the house doesn't cause him to run out of the house then the next shot is at him. Whether I have a right to do so or not, I will defend my family even if it means going to jail.
Nov 30, 2006 10:44 am Quote:
I will defend my family even if it means going to jail.
Amen brudda.
Our neighbor was broken into and the owner (cool dude) chased him down and tackled him, tho the guy ended up getting away, the cops caught him a few minutes later in another 'hood.
Man, I wish that was me tackling him, good practice for the ol' Martial Arts...
Nov 30, 2006 11:24 am heh, some farmer had his house broken into years ago by where I live.
This particular house had 3 17 or 18 year old triplets that all played football, wrestled, sports etc.
The burglars (3) broke in, and were quickly roused by sight of three muscular fearless youths chasing them down.
1 burglar was knocked out while still in the house, the second burglar was chased up a tree, while the third one got away on foot.
Nov 30, 2006 01:04 pm this whole situation sucks. I'm sure the old guy doesn't feel good about killing the kid. I hate to see young people killed needlessly, but he did put himself in harms way and paid the consequences. It sucks, but if you break into someones house, expect that person to fear the worst and act accordingly. I don't really blame the old guy and wouldn't find him guilty of anything.
I'm also a gun control liberal pinko commie (well kinda sorta not really, but I thought I'd make it easier on db)! But I do hate guns with a passion!
Nov 30, 2006 01:21 pm I just read a news article about it, and yeah, it's not like the guy is happy by any means, and even the mom of the kids realized in the same spot she would likely do the same thing...the situation sucks, but it's not the fault of the gun.
I have guns, lots of 'em, in the same place I'd do the same thing, it's things exactly like this that guns are for, the problem with guns is always the person behind the trigger, not the gun. Kids are not being taught to respect human life and weapons like they were before. This guy used it correctly.
The kids has had brushes with the law before, the guy is an old dude, that has a garbage house, and has since had his house declared uninhabitable. The kid had no key to his house and was trying to wake somebody up in the house (witnesses say so) and then left when he couldn't.
it sounds like the house could have easily been mistaken for vacant, but it's still not his house to go into.
Sad deal all the way around.
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I'm also a gun control liberal pinko commie
Well, admitting it is the first step in getting help. ;-)
Nov 30, 2006 01:27 pm Quote:
the problem with guns is always the person behind the trigger, not the gun
this is true, but considering i don't trust people to know how to act, i'd rather remove the guns from the equation (in a perfect world!) and not give people the opportunity to act stupidly (with huge life or death consequences).
unfortunately, i know we don't live in a perfect world, so my view is somewhere in the gray area.
Nov 30, 2006 01:29 pm True, but then you are punishing the majority of gun owners that use them responsibly, and thats not fair either. The better solution is punich people with REAL punishments, enforce laws that exist like they should be enforced, and teach parents to be parents...but obviously, a much harder goal...
Nov 30, 2006 01:42 pm you make an interesting point...
but that doesn't mean i have to listen to it!
Nov 30, 2006 01:46 pm spoken like a true liberal socialist pinko, you've done your team proud.
Nov 30, 2006 02:07 pm Mmmm... gun control... out'a Coon Rapids .
More cowbell, YES !
Nov 30, 2006 10:18 pm Well my biggest gripe is the friggin media trying to make the kid a martyr. He isn't and he wont be either. But the media will give it their best shot. That is what really tiks me off. Sure, its another life lost. But the simple fact is, he knew exactly who lived there. He had even visited with the man a few days earlier from other reports. So does he or the media really expect anyone to believe they thought the house was abandoned? He ****** up, now he is dead. End of story, leave the old man alone and stop harrasing him.
Dec 01, 2006 02:44 pm Martyr? I sure some will probably try but I think most people will see it for what it really is, a self defense case.
And like I said, the shooting was 100% justified, but I still think it's sad to lose a young life.
On the living alone thing though, I think I would be less likely to shoot if I was home alone vs. if my wife and baby were there. If that was the case I would have emptied the clip, reloaded and emptied it again.
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