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Posted on Nov 01, 2006 09:13 pm
whosyourdaddy00
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ok folks, i want a clean fight, no biting ears, no punching below the belt, and positively no weapons....
i say live and let live, i don't see anything wrong with two people commiting to eachother in the name of love...
as for the "gays will do it for tax breaks", i call big fat BS! straits would be dooin' it too, and i have never heard of anyone marrying for the legal benefits, well other than to become a citizen.
as for "marrage is a sacred institute that is the foundation of our culture" again i call BS, we have the HIGHEST divorce rate of any nation, sacred my ***. it's only sacred for those who stick with it and respect the institution, gay or strait. not only that, but you can get married in a freakin' courthouse, and in the eyes of the law, you're married, no God involved...therefore the legal side of marrage IS seperate from the spiritual.
also, there's too many long term gay coupples, where one get's termanly ill, or suddenly dies, and the 'spouse' has NO legal say in what happens, eventhough they are just as close as anyother married coupple...i think that's a damn shame.
i feel, this is a fear bassed issue, those people who are afraid of seeing a happily married gay coupple, are the ones who don't want their children to see it out of fear that they might think it's 'ok to be gay'...and therefore their kids will turn out gay. that's just pure speculation on my part though.
i have absoultely no control over the fact that i'm not attracted to men, and i can understand someone that isn't attracted to whatever gender for whatever reason, you are what you are, and yes we (as in humanity) are perverse, everyone likes to get off...so what. and i'm sorry, girl on girl action IS hot....and you're gay if you're a male and don't agree.
there i said it, and btw, this thread is guitar_jim's fault! ยง=oP
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Nov 02, 2006 04:47 am legally sure, i have no problem with it.
if people want to get married in a church rhey should be christian, and as, according to their rule book (byebell or somesuch) you can't be an active gay or lesbian and be a christian, i would kinda think they're too mutually exclusive clubs.
a bit like greenpeace and the american gunclub rthing with charlton and ted nugent...
Nov 02, 2006 04:56 am OK, not sure whats with WYD witht he recent topics, if he is TRYING to start a fight or what ;-)
My basic issue is the fact it is an issue, marriage shouldn't be state/federally controlled in the first place. Marriage shouldn't affect taxes, kids shouldn't...employers shouldn't control health benefits, people should handle their own...
If it was like before Jimmy Carter ****** everything up by having employers give health benefits things and attitude would be different...
If it was before there were these billion-page tax codes to benefit these people and those people it would be different...
Then their wouldn't be a false motive to marry or not marry and the state wouldn't need to be involved.
Nov 02, 2006 05:00 am i'm for gay marriage, but i also, like pixel, don't really think the christians should have to capitulate.
gays deserve equal rights under the law, and while i'm no fan of religion, i respect the right of religions to deliniate the specific faith. that's important to the whole enterprise of religion.
that's my belief for now, anyway. subject to change.
unfortunately, if we're going to truly respect religions and belief systems, there will have to be a new branch of christianity to accomodate this new and contrary meme of gay marriage. it shouldn't be a problem. a new branch of christianity will cover the issue. it's a pity that the side effect will be a further splintering of the faith, but that's the only solution as long as christians remain inflexible on this issue. because there are gays, and there are christians. and yes, there are gay christians.
religion here is ultimately a sideshow as it applies to this issue. a secondary thing. the real issue here is the law, and the law is clear: equal rights.
Nov 02, 2006 05:05 am Well one could technically say they have equal rights, they, just like me, have the right to marry somebody of the opposite sex.
Christians will remain inflexible because the Bible says in many places that homosexuality is wrong...however, obviously the tides are turning considering the current catholic scandal of clergy and little boys and girls...so well...that's some of the hypocrisies of organized religion.
But, I still stand by my first comment that marriage shouldn't be a state gov't issue in the first place, and if gov't would step back and do a few logical things it would no longer have to be.
Nov 02, 2006 05:08 am Another thing Christians (radicals anyway) don't get is the simple fact that gay behavior is simply a sin.
::serious personal intepretation below::
It's like any other sin, like any sin that same Christian commits every day. Being gay doesn't ban the person to hell all by itself, it means they need forgiveness like anyone else. The church surely should not be expected to recognize such marriages, given their basis, however, to be as radical as they are on the subject seems silly.
Nov 02, 2006 09:14 am i'm just diggin' all the controversy here lately...it's been an exciting 24 hours here on the board and i figured 'why stop?'..
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Then their wouldn't be a false motive to marry or not marry and the state wouldn't need to be involved
i still don't see any false motives here...nobody gets married, gay or strait, for taxes and health benefits....
Nov 02, 2006 09:22 am Quote:
nobody gets married, gay or strait, for taxes and health benefits
Now, on what authority can you POSSIBLY make that sweeping statement...a bulk of the argument FOR gay marriage is so that partners can take advantage of those exact benefits.
Plus those are stupid laws as well, there should be no tax cuts, break, additions or anything else based on whether or not you choose to have children, get married, get divorced, etc, etc, etc...taxes should be a flat fee, across the board x% regardless of who you are, what you make or how you choose to live.
It's all trickledown...if we could step back behind the whole marriage debate we could easily see the gov't has done loads of things that are a waste of time, beyond the scope of what "governing" is and what they should control. Marriage, or peoples relationships on the whole should not be a state issue, but until state issues that are tied to marriage (such as taxes) exist it will be.
Nov 02, 2006 09:51 am ok, i challange ye to find me one internet article where a strait coupple got married so they could get tax breaks and health benefits at a discount.
Nov 02, 2006 10:07 am I know of several couples personally that originally decided to get married because they needed health benefits, they had been living together for many years, perhaps even had a couple kids, the mom wanted to stay home, so they only made it official to take advantage of said benefits. It isn't an internet article, but it is personal friends, and I would bet MANY people know couples that have done the same thing.
I also recall the story of two lawyers that got DIVORCED right before tax season every year because it worked out for them somehow (I forget the specifics) and remarried after taxes. That was YEARS ago I heard about that tho...could be urban legend.
And I would lay good odds 80% of marriages in Hollywood are for the betterment of careers and such things...not tax related, but still abuse of marriage.
GeoffSM7b the Chuck Noris of Mic'sContributor
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Nov 02, 2006 10:48 am I've had two sets of aquaintences that got married for the benies , they were military so they got a little more for being married as well as the nice tax break. I didn't get married for that but man i would be lying if I said i didn't look forward to tax season . thats when i get new toys.
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Nov 02, 2006 02:15 pm then i guess you could say that if straights can abuse the system, then gays should be allowed to abuse the system too...
GeoffSM7b the Chuck Noris of Mic'sContributor
Since: Jun 20, 2002
Nov 02, 2006 02:35 pm i guess the point is , if there is a system there will be people to abuse it , regardless of sexual preference.
Nov 02, 2006 02:49 pm What is funny to me as that some people spend so much time figuring out ways to not have to work by cheating systems and policies, if they actually got a job it would probably actually free them up time...
Nov 02, 2006 02:54 pm Admit it or not, the strength and success of our society is built around the family unit. Families are given tax breaks so that they may have more disposable income to enjoy some of the finer things in life. At least that's my "pie in the sky" interpretation of it.
Can't gays have families and enjoy some of those perks? Why not?
We straights only get it right about 50% of the time anyway! The rest of our holier-than-thou marriages end in divorce. I'd like to see some data on gay unions and their success rate.
Nov 02, 2006 03:02 pm Well, let's look at that...
I agree, the family, and the crux of the God-given 10 commandments is the core of society. Like it or not, the basic tenets of a good society are in those commandments, don't lie, don't steal, be excellent to each other...the family is the core unit.
That being said, it is one's choice whether or not to have a family, it is a personal structure, not a gov't structure...and none the less every person has their own role to play in society whether married or not, whether a parent or not, and everybody should be taxed equally.
Gay marriage, one train of thought, while I personally don't care much either way, I tend to lean toward this, is that allowing gay marriage puts a homosexual relationship on a pedestal as equal in value to society as a straight relationship, and it's not, it lacks procreation, which is the gift of a relationship and help society go on.
As far as "getting it right"...well, it's really sad, it's not always (in my opinion) that people don't "get it right" as much as it is people simply not willing to put in the effort that a successful marriage takes. Society is far to much in a "throwaway" mentality...if something takes too much work they simply toss it out. Marriage is a *****, it's hard work, I know I personally, right at the moment, am completely pissed off and unhappy, and have been before, it will pass, we will work things out, whatever, thats what happens. Stupid young kids get knocked up and get married or they get married with some fantasy land view of wedded bliss forever...well, wake up...
Nov 02, 2006 04:40 pm heh yeah, my parents divorced when i was 18, then they both went bankrupt, then they remarried three years ago, and i'm seein' another divorce here soon.....talk about disfunctional!! no wonder i'm f'ed in the head! lol
Nov 02, 2006 05:02 pm Many straight marriages lack procreation. We have adoption to fill the gap...
Nov 02, 2006 05:09 pm ALL gay marriages lack it...straight marriages by nature do have with them the possibility of procreation with the exception of medical issues, etc...
