Oct 23, 2006 05:23 pm Hey Aenima7988,
This won't help you for your existing tracks but there is a lot of good information (recorderman technique) here www.homerecordingconnecti...11101&frm=1
Weird Drum Tracks
Posted on Oct 23, 2006 05:12 pm
Aenima7988
Member Since: Apr 10, 2006
I've got a few drum tracks that I'm currently trying to EQ and mix. The thing is, it's one kick mic (with everything else bleeding through slightly) and two overheads. One overhead picks up everything and the other overhead sounds a little muffled except the snare sounds a little better than the other overhead. So I put a gate on the kick and it sounds alright with the EQing. I'm thinking about doubling each overhead and EQing it so different drums stand out. As in, with the overhead that seems to pick everthing up better, I can EQ it to suit the cymbals. Then, on another track, EQ it to suit the toms and try to mix the two tracks together. I can EQ the other one so the snare stands out. What are some general drum tricks, and what are some other ideas for this particular situation?
[ Back to Top ]
Oct 23, 2006 05:23 pm Hey Aenima7988,
This won't help you for your existing tracks but there is a lot of good information (recorderman technique) here www.homerecordingconnecti...11101&frm=1
Oct 24, 2006 08:27 am Be careful not to phase-out the doubled track(s) . After doubling, try reversing the phase on the duped tracks... some freqs may phase-out, others may thicken things up a bit .
Good luck .
Oct 24, 2006 11:01 am I think I just took a physics test dealing with that
You're pretty much saying something like a 9 dB gain of 200Hz on one track and a -9 dB gain of 200 Hz on the other would completely wipe out that part of the track, right?
Oct 24, 2006 12:07 pm No... more like if you have two signals at 200 Hz, both the SAME amplitude, then they'll cancel-out . You'll need to flip the polarity of the copied track to avoid this . You may also have to magnify the two tracks, and nudge one wave into phase with the other(line them up perfectly)... when they're out of phase, they'll cancel eachother out, then flip the polarity on the track, and BAM... huge !
Oct 24, 2006 12:11 pm i did that to my brain last night!
Oct 24, 2006 12:15 pm Ouch !
Dude, you need to change your answering mesage... you are not in Indiana anymore !
LIES !
Oct 24, 2006 12:19 pm oh yeah, sorry for not gettin' back to ya.....it's been a wierd few days. i'll explain later. heh Quote:
you are not in Indiana anymore Emily was sayin' that the other day, reminds me of "you're not in kansas anymore". where am i anymore? am i anymore? anymore i?
Oct 24, 2006 01:28 pm Aenima7988... what software are you using ? There should be a toggle for the polarity right on each channel strip .
Oct 24, 2006 04:36 pm I'm using Pro Tools LE7
I don't have to worry about being out of phase, it's one track that I copied and I move them together, so they definitely line up. I'm not sure I understand the amplitude being the same causing the two to cancel out. I know that when you double a track you can get a weird harmonics sound, but it doesn't exactly cancel it out. Unless that's what causes the harmonicy sound.
What if one track has 3dB gain on 200hz and the other has a 6dB gain on 200hz?
Oct 25, 2006 06:44 am Quote:
I know that when you double a track you can get a weird harmonics sound, but it doesn't exactly cancel it out.
Yeah, that'll be the case when it's out of phase . If they're lined up 'perfectly', the effect will be like that, and quieter... it doesn't exactly cancel out completely, but you can tell when the 'most out of phase' point is .
If your amplitudes are off by a few dBs, and/or not ined up poifectly, then the phasing effect will vary... just how I don't know, as you have noticed that 'weird harmonicy sound' is also an attribute of this phenomina as well as a decrease in percieved volume... chances are that it would simply be quieter, though . Placement within the sterio field will impact this stuff as well .
Oct 25, 2006 07:36 pm Also for your next recording with that set up I would recomend experimenting a bit with the mic placement. Try moving the kick drum mic out fron to of the kit about two to three feet and set its height about level with the top of the kick drum. Then keep the overheads about even with the drummers throne and about 3 feet abovve the actual kit istself. Then pont them in toward the center of the kit. Experimenting with the placement untill you get a good sound.
Oct 26, 2006 12:59 pm it's too late for that, we recorded a while ago and i'm just getting the tracks now (the guy was a deadbeat)
If i had the opportunity to do it again I' djust mic every drum separately, it'd be so much easier that way.
|
Related Forum Topics: |
If you would like to participate in the forum discussions, feel free to register for your free membership.